[FreeTerran]

bah.......

Cruiser are very bad the the hull is not good and the steering are very bad too.

In all cruiser are bad a corvette is very better.

[KillaVirus]

maybe but .... not bigger ......   battleships are already to big........ lets put the collossus full of meson bombs and destroy te sathanas! or scratch the gargant....

[FreeTerran]

Colossus and Sathannas are bad ships a pice of corvettes can destroy it.

[Shrike]

Originally posted by Free Terran
bah.......

Cruiser are very bad the the hull is not good and the steering are very bad too.

In all cruiser are bad a corvette is very better.

Cruisers have a very different role though.  They're lightweight escort ships, to act as a screen against other small ships and fighters.  In that role they're idea - Do you really want to fly up against a trio of Aeoluses or Leviathans in mutually-supporting formation?  That's a lot of beams and flak.

Plus, you could probably get a half-dozen cruisers for every corvette.

[FreeTerran]

But corvettes can that do too they can go in formation with other corvettes and can escort capships.

[diamondgeezer]

All they needed to do was make light cruisers like the Fenris a bit less wimpy. If the Fenris had, say 30K HP, and the Leviathan et al worked up from that, they'd be a lot more respectable. The Lilith for example is only slightly easier to kill than a Moloch... it's the way that four fighters can zap a Fenris in about three seconds that puts most people off them, I think...

<-- die-hard Aeolus fan

[Shrike]

Originally posted by Free Terran
But corvettes can that do too they can go in formation with other corvettes and can escort capships.

Yes, but you can get more cruisers than you can corvettes, because cruisers are smallers and thus cheaper.  And compared to a corvette, cruisers don't lose all that much antifighter ability.

[Shrike]

Originally posted by diamondgeezer
All they needed to do was make light cruisers like the Fenris a bit less wimpy. If the Fenris had, say 30K HP, and the Leviathan et al worked up from that, they'd be a lot more respectable. The Lilith for example is only slightly easier to kill than a Moloch... it's the way that four fighters can zap a Fenris in about three seconds that puts most people off them, I think...

<-- die-hard Aeolus fan

Heh, consider if a Fenris packed, say, 10% of the firepower of a fighter of equivalent size. (a warship, being self-contained, is inherently less efficient than a fighter that leaves its support system 'at home')

FS combat is fighter-centric, if it wasn't, a Fenris would have a dozen rapid-fire Kayser turrets, a bundle of Piranha launchers and a few heavy beam cannons.

[FreeTerran]

There you are right.

[KillaVirus]

well i dont think that those capships could really exist.......the sathanas couldn´t have such a firepower because  its subspace drives must be really really huge so i guess 25%of the ship  and then the generator that should make enough energy to support 4 strong beamcannons ? an then the physics to bring the engines to work ....... this ship must have a giant weight ........ so it must be a masterwork of maths and physics ........ and then a 36km long ship? i dont think that they could make SUCH a thing work....

So i think cruisers corvettes .... and ok ok battleships are possible and realizeable  but dont you think that those juggernaughts are to big? AAAAND is it always the same? booooring...... i know what would be in freespace 3 ...... a new even bigger ship will appear ....

[FreeTerran]

I think FS 3 don't came out.

[Petrarch of the VBB]

You dont miss a trick, do you?

Anyway, cruisers are most likely "general purpose" warships. i.e No Purpose. This is especially true in FS1, where their weapons are too slow to be of a threat to fighters, and too weak to damage destroyers or other cruisers.

[Shrike]

Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
You dont miss a trick, do you?

Anyway, cruisers are most likely "general purpose" warships. i.e No Purpose. This is especially true in FS1, where their weapons are too slow to be of a threat to fighters, and too weak to damage destroyers or other cruisers.

General Purpose does not equal no purpose.  You have to recall that FS1 cruisers were designed to fight fighters armed with ML-16s (which did 5 whole damage per hit) and capable of taking about two shots from a Mega Turret before being destroyed.  They simply were not upgraded to deal with shielded craft.

[Petrarch of the VBB]

Originally posted by Shrike
They simply were not upgraded to deal with shielded craft.

And why not?

[Shrike]

I'm guessing because it would have taken too long and the GTA would have needed to bring back warships to rear areas.

Not that the heavy turrets don't do damage, they still inflict 75 damage each.

[Galemp]

I was just thinking that really big ships could be destroyed by kamikaze Tritons carrying Meson bombs...
Oh, and each blast from a Huge laser turret should do as much damage as a Cyclops.

[diamondgeezer]

Originally posted by KillaVirus
So i think cruisers corvettes .... and ok ok battleships are possible and realizeable  but dont you think that those juggernaughts are to big? AAAAND is it always the same? booooring...... i know what would be in freespace 3 ...... a new even bigger ship will appear ....

Look I have to ask this - if you think more and bigger juggers are boring, why are have you signed up for a campaign that so far seems to be pretty much centered around super-juggers?

[hobnob1978]

Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB


Ahh, but almonds are harder than walnuts. I can crack walnuts in my hand! Occaisionally.

Almond hard????

I suppose they are hard buggers. How about hazlenut hard?

I once tried to crack one with nut crackers and failed miserably. the bugger just would not break. even tried a hammer on it (tough little B***)

Personally I thought the Sathanas and the Collossus were as big as ships could go. I mean someone has pointed out the physics problems. What about power? Not the generation but to supply it? The level of boosting, even if it was liquid plasma based, would be obscene. Especially when the charge required to power those mega turret beams must be huge.
I`d hate to see the capacitance charge batteries for that thing.

Anything larger really is beginning to verge on the silly. Thats why i hate the death star and death star2 from SW. Just plainly unbelivable.

Lucifer= belivable, Collossus= believable (just), sathanas=belivable (with some imagination)

I know it`s fiction and a computer game but people eventually just go "Nah, not possible"

[Su-tehp]

Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
Ahh, but almonds are harder than walnuts. I can crack walnuts in my hand! Occaisionally.

I don't mean to sound obscene, but when a guy boasts that he can crush nuts in his bare hands, I can't help but think that is some kind of sexual metaphor...

[diamondgeezer]

That sounds obscene