Originally posted by Venom
1) no gonna argue about that, but I think terminator's plot is plain as hell, and ful of plot holes ( and T2 is more a remake than a sequel, that won't help ). and always I vow a real cult to the alien series, I don't see anything mindbreaking in the plot either. a monster kills people, then more monsters kills more people.
I'm not saying that either plot was mindblowingly original. Just that none of those 3 films took every chance they had to insult your intelligence.
Originally posted by Venom
2) considering it's an alien invasion movie, well, the plot was... her... well, who needed a plot?
I did. Maybe it's cause I loved War of the Worlds and thought that this was just an expensive knock off. Seriously though if the movie doesn't have a plot why make a movie at all? Why not just make a special effects demo reel and let people watch that instead? The whole point of making a movie is for it to tell a story.
Originally posted by Venom
3) well, what's your definition of science fivtion? for me, it means it shows fictional science ( heh ), so science which DOES NOT exist. it's quite retarded to try and give sense to something that doesn't exists. what about star wars? SW technobable is amongst the worst I've ever seen, yet nobody complains. people are biaised.
Let me put it this way. If instead of Jeff Goldbloom uploading the virus he'd have got out of the ship and fought the aliens in 1 on 1 Mortal Kombat it would have made about as much sense.
Science fiction doesn't mean that you make it up as you go along! It mearly means you define a set of rules and stick to them during the movie.
Had Jeff Goldboom's character been shown to be some kind of amazing technical wizard able to bash out 20,000 lines of working code a day I might have believed it.
Instead although he is an educated man he isn't that high up on the curve, he's not much brighter than any other talented scientist. Yet all of a sudden he's able to singlehandedly write a virus that can disable all the enemy ships.
The saddest thing is that they could have very easily made the idea work without it looking stupid. There was a whole huge base full of scientists and computer programmers that could have made the virus but the lazy writing insisted on having Jeff do it all himself just so that we could have more shocked faces for the scene where they shoot at the coke can.
The reason why I don't have a go at Star Wars is that even though it's rules may not make scientific sense they are fairly consistant.
Originally posted by Venom
4) no, I said I wanted to see ID4 for that, I didn't say I liked only movies like that. It'zs your right to think I'm a retard, but don't put words I haven't said in my mouth, will ya?
Quite the reverse actually. I never actually said that you only liked movies like that either. What I was in fact aiming at was that if today you feel like you just want to see stuff blow up a game is probably a better way to spend your time. You'll get to see more stuff blow up and will also get the satisfaction of doing it yourself.
Originally posted by Venom
5) I can judge by myslelf of the level of special effects, and I can tell you that even in 100 years the effects in ID4 won't be more laughable than the jurassic park ones. of course there's ****ty scenes in ID4 ( the B2 flyby, huh! ), but other than that it's pretty perfect.
voila, I can't believe I'm actually standing for ID4 
Yeah. They said that about Tron when it came out too
Jurrasic Park might not have better special effects but my point is that it has a plot. So in 40 years time people will be willing to put up with bad special effects for the plot. However in 40 years time there will have been plenty of movies about alien invasions with even better special effects so who's gonna want to watch ID4?
