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Offline an0n

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I just got Thus Spoke Zarathustra and Beyond Good And Evil delivered (Bought 'em offa Amazon). Both by Nietzsche.

Awesome books.

Nietzsche kicks ass.

And as an unrelated side-note: Socrates kicks ass.

Discuss.
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*hasn't had the pleasure of Nietzsche yet*

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Buy Nietzsche. Preferably one of Kaufmans translations (they wipe the floor with all the other garbage versions).

They ain't that expensive and will improve your mind simply through the process of reading, even if you don't understand them or agree with the ideas discussed/implied/hinted-at/put-forward.

I'd recommend starting with Zarathustra. It's a story one so should entertain the more.....mentally-handicapped among you.
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Me = Philosophy student.
Me = Have exams.
Me = Have exams on Nietzsche.
Me = brain dribbling out of ears.

 

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I have a particular 'robot chubby' for the whole norm-then-elevate-then-create ideas.
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The first doo-hickey of Zarathustra.

To quote the preface in my copy:
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To become more than an all-too-human animal man must become a creator. But this involves a break with previous norms. Beethoven, for example, creates new norms with his works. Yet this break is only constructive when accomplished not only by one who wants to make things easy for himself, but by one who has previously subjected himself to the discipline of tradition. First comes the beast of burden, then the defiant lion, then creation.[/size]
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[color=66ff00]'Nietzsche is dead' - God.
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He was insane for 11 years before dying (probably of syphillis).

And I find your remark wholey inappropriate and disrespectful. He worked tirelessly for 10 hours at a time with tears streaming from his ****ed-up eyes, migraines piercing his brain and the powerful drugs he used to get to sleep slowly rotting his stomach and causing him to vomit blood, all so he could enlighten us with his views on all aspects of life and thought.

He was a great man.
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This is coming from...you?

*stiffles laugh*

*Gets ready for flaming*
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Nietzsche was a brilliant writer indeed.  Unfortunately, he was not nearly so brilliant a philosopher.  His ideas are mostly inconsistent with one another once you get past the masterful command of the word.  When it comes to expressing his insights, he can do so powerfully.  When it comes to describing what should be done, however, one will often find that the idea underlying the eloquent words of chapter 1 is completely incompatible with the idea under the the words of chapter 2.  As a general rule about most things, he wants black to be white and yet still have it be black.

As for his insanity towards the end of his life, it might also be that he actually tried to live and believe everything in his philosophy rather than any medical problem.  No, seriously.  To fully live and believe according to what Nietzsche taught would leave one virtually indistinguishable from a madman in the eyes of the rest of the world, since one would no longer be able to relate to the world as it now is.
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Ok, coming from someone who's tag isn't "Insidious little *****", I believe you guys :D ;)

 

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Originally posted by Sesquipedalian
Nietzsche was a brilliant writer..............................as it now is.
I must be stoned, because all I see is a huge bulls-eye.

And he was mad. There's no ifs or buts about it. He had crippling migraines for years and was vomitting blood. Methinks that's quite a big clue that something wasn't right.
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Originally posted by an0n
I must be stoned, because all I see is a huge bulls-eye.
I have four years of philosophy under my belt, including a thesis which dealt in part with Nietzsche, but the analysis expressed above I cannot claim as originating with me.  This is the opinion of many philosophers and philosophy professors who know a lot more than I do.  Looking at his writings myself, I have to agree with them, that's all.
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Fair enough.

I have a point to respond with but I wanna re-read Zarathustra to make sure.
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never really read those two; I am more into stuff from Popper, Wittgenstein and the like. So are those any good? (the ideas that is; I don't care much for flowery language :D)

of course, the best philosophy books are math books. :D

 

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yeah, I love Godel, Escher, Bach. That's a fun math book ;7 :D
Science alone of all the subjects contains within itself the lesson of the danger of belief in the infallibility of the greatest teachers in the preceding generation . . .Learn from science that you must doubt the experts. As a matter of fact, I can also define science another way: Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts. - Richard Feynman

 

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True, I talk of dreams;
Which are the children of an idle brain,
Begot of nothing but vain fantasy,
Which is as thin of substance as the air,
and more inconstant than the wind...
If happiness is a warm gun and love is a battlefield, why should we give peace a chance?

C-130 rollin' down the strip
hits a rock and start to tip
its all right, its OK
full of soldiers anyway

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