[Knight Templar]

interestingly enough, there's a batman beyond episode based on this idea with the same name as the article.

[Rictor]

Originally posted by CP5670
I wouldn't bother; such things are everywhere in the world, and when you get rid of one ten more pop up in its place, so there is nothing to be gained in the end. you can take comfort in that it is really all only a bunch of molecules moving and interacting.

No, you wouldn't bother. I would. I will.

[CP5670]

Have you noticed? That's worse than prison, your only way out w/o being an obedient slave would be to kill someone, I suppose

Which would probably be happening quite frequently given the probable kids/staff ratio, but they wouldn't want to let that be known since then all the remaining staff would quit.

[vyper]

Originally posted by Venom


Heh? I actually tought you'd find that just brilliant
Anyway.
Have you noticed? That's worse than prison, your only way out w/o being an obedient slave would be to kill someone, I suppose  

Well, most human beings who believe in self-determination, civilisation and freedom would rather kill than be put in that situation.

[Stryke 9]

Venom: Pretty much. The way the kids essentially perpetuate it themselves, form little Gestapo units, is particularly nasty. I gotta say it doesn't speak volumes for the character of the kids doing it, though, which takes a bit of my sympathy away. Normal, I suppose, but still repulsive that they'd become so vile just with a little of what is effectively very mild psych torture.

I wonder, though... the whole system is almost utterly dependant on the kids in the late stages of brainwashing. How did this thing get set up in the first place? It wouldn't work at all with just the guards... the only answer I can think of is that they mainly get brutish, bullying, untrustworthy sorts...

Rictor: I'm gonna quote you on that, and in a month from now if you're not on your way to Jamaica I'll hound you like all hell for it. Sound fair?

[Rictor]

A month, no. Ten years, yes.

They force the kids to turn on each other to survive. They have to form "gestapo units" in order to free themselves.

[Stryke 9]

Hardly. They assault each other in order to vent some of their own unhappiness. It's fairly typical behavior, but immature, cruel, and repulsive. They're under standing orders to betray and poke at each other and such, but from the examples given they go above and beyond the call of duty- they're enthusiastic to cause harm to others.

Ten years? My, that's a conveniently long time- hell, world domination is on my ten-year list- I'll have forgotten all this stuff by then, but that's kinda the point. Thought you didn't particularly care.

[Rictor]

I doubt they intentionally go overboard, but even if they do, can you blame them? They've been brainwashed, many of them for years.

And you dont have to believe me, cause I really dont care if you do.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by Rictor
They force the kids to turn on each other to survive. They have to form "gestapo units" in order to free themselves.

This is very troubling. Did you notice the thing about the straight A student who got sent there at the age of 17 simply for having the wrong boyfriend?

This place is basically training the future sociopaths of the future. Anyone want to bet me that someone who went to this place isn't going to be involved in a killing spree some time within the next 20 years?

[Kamikaze]

The part I was surprised at was how completely brainwashed even former Tranq. people seem to be... I thought humans had a bit more integrity. Although there could be more to it, as a media person may not get complete access to everything.

[karajorma]

Never be surprised by the power of humans to be brainwashed. It doesn't even take this to pursuade a suicide bomber or nazi.

[01010]

Originally posted by Stryke 9
Venom: Pretty much. The way the kids essentially perpetuate it themselves, form little Gestapo units, is particularly nasty. I gotta say it doesn't speak volumes for the character of the kids doing it, though, which takes a bit of my sympathy away. Normal, I suppose, but still repulsive that they'd become so vile just with a little of what is effectively very mild psych torture.

I wonder, though... the whole system is almost utterly dependant on the kids in the late stages of brainwashing. How did this thing get set up in the first place? It wouldn't work at all with just the guards... the only answer I can think of is that they mainly get brutish, bullying, untrustworthy sorts...

Rictor: I'm gonna quote you on that, and in a month from now if you're not on your way to Jamaica I'll hound you like all hell for it. Sound fair?

To be perfectly honest, I have no sympathy for anyone involved because the parents are obviously earning huge amounts to afford to send their kids to it, to earn money like that they must be working a fair bit (mostly away from home I should imagine) and don't have time to spend with their kids. Seems that most of those kids are probably brats too.

Sad fact is that the kids being uncontrollable is most probably a sympton of the parents caring too much about the all important green.

[vyper]

Originally posted by karajorma


This is very troubling. Did you notice the thing about the straight A student who got sent there at the age of 17 simply for having the wrong boyfriend?

Having been considered the "wrong boyfriend" before, I find this one particularaly disconcerting. It just proves people are capable of anything, at all.

[aldo_14]

Bad parents are now paying for the right to be even worse parents.  Sure, there's no shortage of kids (neds) who deserve a good kciking in Glasgow, but allowing parents to pack up and send their kids top a glorified penal colony without even having to have justification is downright wrong.

Possibly the children can get their revenge when it comes to sending their parents off to an old folks home......?

(In fact, that could be a nice little earner.  anyone want to help me set up one in Kabul?  Land's cheap there, and demolition services are easy to find.  construction might be a bit tough, though....)

[SKYNET-011]

Un-****ing-believable.

I can't believe someone would send their child to a place like this.

[Nico]

yeah, I think some parents might not look forward their children coming back
"so, you sent me there? I've learned stuff, there, you know..."
"scream of agonizing parents"

amazing what you can do with a watch.

hehehe, hehehe, hohoho

[Stryke 9]

Watch? I'm a victim's-own-limbs man, myself.

[Hippo]

im surprised they don't leave the watch... if its tight fitting, its something to connect a horse too... or weld to the celing...

I going to lock my door at night now...

[Flaser]

Man is just another "animal with a big brain".
Conditioning and torture works miracle on him just like on any other mammal.

The power of psychic torture exeeds anything that you'd believe.
I know a bit about it's power, 'cause ever since I moved to my second school I was being picked off and bullied, furthermore I also could watch my younger sister turn out to be one of those "misbehaving teens".

You should read a book from a Hungarian writer Géza Ottlik: "Iskola a határon" - "School on the Border".
It was translated into almost all mainstream languages, so languange shouldn't be a problem.
The book deals with a couple of boys being sent of to military school.

The boys in the school took on an abusive authoritan behaviour, since it was the way the boys in the upper classes treated them - and there wasn't any true torture like in Tranquilty.

The problem is that they aren't going to come out of that place unless they subject to the system...and there aren't many dead guards either.
It takes just a little step to become part of the system and eversince that you'll be going down.
Agreeing or pretending to agree to one of their doctrenes is the first part. Then you'll go along later to scrutinise others.

The horrible part is that in order to get out of there, that's the only way - if you try to resist you'll be back to square one.
If you lie...you're on a razer blade, and if you ever fall off...you're back on square 1 with even more difficulties.

In order to get out, you have to subject yourself to the system and truly believe its madness, since that's the only way.
You'll naturally end up hurting others - because as it is stated in the article it's not you against them - it's everyone against you!

As for Rictor's idea...I would join if I could truly bring myself to detach from my current life...but that's a daydread.

Stryke and Venom: it's not the act itself that matters. If you thought it wouldn't change anything than the slaves or the liberals would never have started their revolt.
It's the statement itself that's important:
The fact that you take whatever you can to oppose the evil that surrounds you. The publicity and the larger affect are that will bring salvation even if you fail.
Being a martyr is a f**** up business, 'cause your whole life will be liead about, but at least you can live in peace with your heart.

It is a choice...but in order to live it....you can't live any other life.

[Nico]

heh? why me?