[Unknown Target]

I KNOW this has been asked already, but how many fleets does the GTVA have? FSURP, you REALLY need to update with all this stuff. Anyways, I'm thinking only 3. I'm adding a 4th fleet in my campaign, but I'd like to know if there were any more.

[Sesquipedalian]

Originally posted by Unknown Target
I'm thinking only 3.

On the contrary...

[Unknown Target]

Thanks...I think You just made me spend 20 minutes detailing what the hell is happening + matching it up to my node map

[AlphaOne]

the link doesnt work at least when i tried it !
Aaaaa......if the GTVA had some 4 fleets does it meen that if in my campaign story I have more then 20 im overdoingit...?????
And I would realy like to know how many CAp ships were in the whole GTVA before the start of the rebelion and the shivan war..!

[karajorma]

Try it again. The link works fine for me. The Link has the GTVA having 26 fleets in total (although one of them is in Sol ) so your 20 fleets are fine.

[AlphaOne]

Yep it works just fine now  thanks!
But that still doesnt answer my question..about how many cap ships were in the GTVA before the start of the rebelion and the start of the second shivan campaign!
I would realy like to know because I Have somewhere in the order of 90 destroyers some 60 or more friggates and some 70 or  more corvettes and some 80 cruisers or less not  to mention the arival later in may campaign story of several SD some shivan some terran and one of undetermened origin...plus 2 SC..so i gues im overdooing it..!
But you must keep in mind this takes place some 50 years or more after the second shivan war with ship construction sped up by more the 150% (technology:D ) not to mention later the capture of several construction yards shivan ones...!and a huge amount of resources from the shivans!This fleet size contains older class of cap ships including the Hecate mkI some 10 of the but they were fazed out eventualy with the Aquitane beeing the only one left in service after several upodates of its engines and weponsistems and a huge amount of money put into it ("with the money put into keeping it up to date they could of built 3 Hecate MKII mich more powerfull and faster..or 2 of the newest Nebula destroyers" said some terran pilot at one time...!)
This ship was kept into service for morale reasons then milatary reasons ...but none the less the Aquitane could do some real damage to even the newwest destroyers..and in special circumstances even win...!
So as not to deviate from the priginal question How many cap ships did the GTVA had?

[TopAce]

90 destroyers? That's SO many. I think there are at most 10 or 15 of them. Including the older, non-modified Great War-era destroyers like the Bastion. This 10-15 excludes the Colossus and the Hades.

[Mr Carrot]

Youd have a ratio of at least 2/1 corvettes to destroyers, destroyers are after all, much more than a big ship they also require all the fighters/bombers and much larger crews.

Its like saying the USN has 90 aircraft carriers and 60 destroyers to look after them

[TopAce]

Originally posted by Mr Carrot
....Its like saying the USN has 90 aircraft carriers and 60 destroyers to look after them

OK, but compare a few hundred meters long ship(on water) with a 2 kilometers long behemoth ships(in space). And there is still no word about the cost of maintance, repairs, fighters, and weaponry.

[TheCelestialOne]

Originally posted by TopAce


OK, but compare a few hundred meters long ship(on water) with a 2 kilometers long behemoth ships(in space). And there is still no word about the cost of maintance, repairs, fighters, and weaponry.

And? You compare the size of space with the size of our oceans...

[TopAce]

Yes. Why?
Look at the text I have quoted. Mr. carrot began comparing space with water.:thepimp:

[StratComm]

well water or no water, 90 destroyers is very extreme.  I could stomach 20 terran destroyers before the NTF war (though that would be a lot) as you see at least half a dozen of them.  And I think that if you were to count up the destroyers that actually appeared or were referenced in FS2 you would find at least a dozen.  However, I would definately say that there should be at least 2 corvettes, maybe 3 or 4, to every one destroyer, and there should be 2 cruisers to a corvette if you are still using them.  And the mysterious "Frigate" designation... I've yet to see it incorperated into the FS designations with any reliability.  Explain their role a bit more before we can give you an estimate on how many your fleets should have.

[Knight Templar]

*thinks there should be 3 - 4 destroyers per fleet (per system)
*4 Corvettes to a destroyer
*3 cruisers to a corvette
* at least 6 AWACs ships per fleet (per system)
* lots of support ships

Remember, this may souind a lot, but an entire star system is a big place to hold.

[Liberator]

As it was never mentioned that the 3rd Fleet was being assisted by anybody but the 13th Vasudan Battle Group we can assume that all allied Terran vessels are a part of the 3rd Fleet.

Even after the Shivans appeared, there was no mention of other Fleets moving into the Capella system to aid in halting the Shivan advance.

We can also assume that since Capella was the capital of the Alliance that the 3rd Fleet was probably double strength as the politicians would have wanted their candy-asses protected better.

The 3rd Fleet consisted of 4 destroyers, at least 6 corvettes and probably twice, more likely three times that number of cruisers.

So the average fleet would consist of 2 destroyers, 3-4 corvettes and 8-12 cruisers.

[IceFire]

Actually...it says in one of the failed debriefings I believe (nonetheless it does say) that Beta Aquilae is the capital of the GTVA where the security council and any alliance related discussions go on.  The Vasudan Imperium is either in the Vasuda system or in Aldebarran and the Terran Assembly is probably based in Delta Serpentis (since it takes the place of the GTA provisional government setup there after The Great War).

[Knight Templar]

Originally posted by Liberator
As it was never mentioned that the 3rd Fleet was being assisted by anybody but the 13th Vasudan Battle Group we can assume that all allied Terran vessels are a part of the 3rd Fleet.

Even after the Shivans appeared, there was no mention of other Fleets moving into the Capella system to aid in halting the Shivan advance.

We can also assume that since Capella was the capital of the Alliance that the 3rd Fleet was probably double strength as the politicians would have wanted their candy-asses protected better.

The 3rd Fleet consisted of 4 destroyers, at least 6 corvettes and probably twice, more likely three times that number of cruisers.

So the average fleet would consist of 2 destroyers, 3-4 corvettes and 8-12 cruisers.

Err.. no.

There was mention of the 4th fleet based at Vega, the 6th fleet based at Epsilon Pegasai, and a 11th or 13th or 14th fleet based in Wolf 359 IIRC. The 3rd fleet was it's own fleet, not the entire Allied fleet and Capella is deffinitely not the Capital of the GTVA, see Ice's post.

[TopAce]

The most important GTVA systems are where the conventions were made. Beta Aquilae, and Deneb.

The Vasudans surely had a Vasuda Prime convention, but it is not topic as of this moment.

[magatsu1]

is Deneb still populated ?
the intro gives the impression the planet was mostly wiped out.
Maybe it's importance is purely it's location ?
Is the Colossus (and it's group) considered part of 3rd fleet ?

[Hippo]

Originally posted by magatsu1
is Deneb still populated ?
the intro gives the impression the planet was mostly wiped out.
Maybe it's importance is purely it's location ?
Is the Colossus (and it's group) considered part of 3rd fleet ?

Well, if Deneb had a convention, it is probably still populated... The Lucifer didn't glase the planet like it did Vasuda so...

The Colossus and its group was referred to as the Colossus Battlegroup several times, so it can probably be considered a Battlegroup that would be traveling from place to place because of situations that it may assist.

[Knight Templar]

Not to mention there is more than one planet in deneb...