[Bobboau]

look in the sig directly above it

[phreak]

so a fish with legs and no eyes

sometimes i worry, i dont know why

[demon442]

Originally posted by Bobboau
look in the sig directly above it

I put in the fish when I registered as a tribute to "vasudanswuvfishes"

But I can see how it could be associated with the popular christian bumper decoration.  I will not remove it for any reason, though.

EDIT: Bob, think of the eye as -off and it's a little easier to cope with.

[Bobboau]

I was not sugesting you do

eyes are of no use to a ASCI creature, it's just wasted energy makeing them when they live in a world of digital information

http://www.evolvefish.com/

[diamondgeezer]

Originally posted by redsniper
Well, I'm a religious person, but I'm NOT creationist.  I know the Big Bang theory and the theory of evolution are right. Not the faith the theory.  I like to think that instead of God watching us all the time and controlling everything, he just created the universe with all the scientific laws and rules it has and let things happen on their own from there.... um yeah creationism is crazy

I could go for that. I mean, the more I learn about the devlopment of the Universe, the more unlikely it all seems. Having someone with a blueprint and a huge screwdriver set running the show would make some sense... but I just don't want to belive in an invisible guy who sits on a cloud and tells me what to do

****ing good link by the way, Bob. Time to get me a t-shirt

[EDIT] Actually, on second thoughts, those shirts are all a bit crap.

[Bobboau]

becase of all the talk about dogma I just DLed and wached that movie, damn that thing kicks ass!

now, as I am posting this I am wondering if any creationists would be able to fully enjoy a movie that promoted a veiw on reality that they were diametricly oposed to?
granted most of that type consiter the movie Dogma to be blasfamy and hericy wich is funny becase that sort of atitude is what the movie is about, it is one of the most briliant works of art I have ever seen becase it elisets the exact reaction that it is trying make a statment about, and in so makes it's mesage even more pertanent.
and it does all this with Jay and Bob in it too!
oh, ****!

[diamondgeezer]

[TheCelestialOne]

[phreak]

espically since jesus' cousin was played by chris rock and god was a "woman"

[Thorn]

God was bloody Alanis Morisette...
The only bad part of the movie....

[Rampage]

To HotSnoJ:

From One Christian to Another

I completely understand the point that you're making here.  You're not only advertising that - thing, but you're also proclaiming the infallable truth of the Bible, the only valid Christian Doctrine. (Achtung!  Catholics, Anglicans, and Episcopalians take heed!)  Creationism is, along with the rest of the Bible, is absolute truth.  But one thing that I have come to understand is that Born-Again or immature Christians (I still think myself as one.) can sometimes jump the gun a bit quicker and not analyzing the entire portrait.  No, I'm not speaking in advocation for evolution.  But I think that you, HotSnoJ, are doing this on your own with little primary/secondary sources to support your argument.  From what I have read, you have given no plausible evidence against the false theory of evolution.  You, like me, attack it at point-blank range.  I have suffered many consequences due to this and gained nothing but scars.  By recognizing that the world is a corrupt, perverted, and evil institution is the first path to Christian maturity.  That's right!  We can't live without Jesus.  Spreading the Gospel is the thing to do.  But the approach method must be correct.  To not attempt to shove Jesus or the Bible down other people's throats because that'll never get to them.  You'll only provoke the masses.  You MUST outplay them at their own game.  When you find yourself not to be invulnerable, you will then stop hitting your head on this sinful world.  It'll only hurt your head.  (Word of advice. )

Sincerely,

Rampage

[Rampage]

Originally posted by Zeronet
http://www.csicop.org/webmaster/creationism/creationism.gif

Is this picture proclaiming that only rednecks, southerners, Republicans, WASPs, non-intellectual hillbillies, and in-breeders ready the Bible?  [I hate that stereotype.]

[redsniper]

I read the Bible (sometimes)
and I believe in evolution.

[Zeronet]

I dunno, its a picture applicable to the situation in which some people blindly refuse to listen to reason, the fact the person is missing teeth does not make them a redneck, or stupid or a republican or in-bred. Its not intended to hurt anyone's feelings, i,ve tried to avoid that. I'm sorry if i did.

The Bible is the truth yes,  there no doubting that in my opinion. Its just not the literal truth, nor Gods exact words(unlike the Koran, which muslims believe is all Gods words), it teaches the message as a parable of sorts. Stories written so that they could be understood at the time, as evidently, people did not know about such things as space, the stars etc, so the story of creation had to been applicable to the times and it does that. It quite clearly, wraps up a few billion years of developed into a easy to understand allegory of the creation of the universe.

[mikhael]

Originally posted by Rampage
To HotSnoJ:
...but you're also proclaiming the infallable truth of the Bible, the only valid Christian Doctrine. (Achtung!  Catholics, Anglicans, and Episcopalians take heed!)  ...

I'm rather amazed at this statement. Do you actually know the first thing about the differences between, say Anglicans and Catholics and Episcopalians and 'Born Again Christianity'?

Given that this particular brand of Christianity that you espouse is younger even than Mormonism, you've really got a lot of nerve declaring it to be absolute Truth.

Just tell me something: how can something be True and Not True at the same time? Given Jesus' last words and the timing of the Crucifiction are different depending on which gospel you're reading (and which translation!), which one is Truth? If A is True and B is True and A contradicts B we have something called a logical discontinuity. IE, you've made a mistake with your reasoning some where.

I'm not saying you're wrong Rampage, nor you, HotSnoJ, but I am saying that perhaps your faith is a little blind.

[Flipside]

I'm inclined to be concerned here, by all means, let's argue our differences and points out the flaws in one anothers arguments, and scientific argument has as many flaws as any other, my own beliefs are exactly that, my own

Let's just not let it degenerate into slagging off each others religion. While I'm all behind reasonable, (and occasionally unreasonable) debate, I always get a bit nervous when posts go along the lines of 'The problem with your religion is......'.

Peace

Flipside

[Rampage]

Originally posted by mikhael
I'm not saying you're wrong Rampage, nor you, HotSnoJ, but I am saying that perhaps your faith is a little blind.

By being on this planet for 38 years, I can conclude that faith in Jesus is blind.  If it weren't blind, we would be soobjective that He wouldn't be able to lead us.  Jesus is the Father who leads his son blindfolded to a surprise.  Faith in Christ means 100% subjugation!

The same thing goes with the Bible.  One must see through its "paradoxes" and understand it at face value because we are not given the right to interpret it.  (Of course, symbolism is used quite oftenly in the Bible and we should see them symbolically, not at face value.) We can never interpret it correctly.  We are not God and never will be.  Thus, we must debase ourselved to absolute trust in the Father and absolute servitude of the Father.

Admins, please close this thread down.  Thanks.

[Flipside]

[Deep Comment]
Well, to be honest, I'd rather have a Father who tried to earn my trust and who wanted my respect, not my subjugation. Part of being a Father means accepting that your children are people in their own right with beliefs and opinions of their own, and a Father can accept and love their child regardless of their differences to Himself. It is how I would like to treat my own children And in a way a human being evolves from the child who sees his Father as an all encompassing prescence, to a Man, who sees his father as a Friend and companion.
[/Deep Comment]

[mikhael]

Originally posted by Rampage

...
The same thing goes with the Bible.  One must see through its "paradoxes" and understand it at face value because we are not given the right to interpret it.  (Of course, symbolism is used quite oftenly in the Bible and we should see them symbolically, not at face value.)
...

Who gets to decide which things in the Bible are allegorical and which are factual? Who gets to decide which translation we'll read and which we won't?  For that matter who gets to decide the content of the Bible (witness the amazing method of chosing the Canon in the 3rd Century AD)?

Admins, please close this thread down.  Thanks.

Is there a particular reason you want the debate to end? I would urge the admins to keep the thread open, so long as the debate remains genial and civil. You, however, are free to leave at any time, though you are welcome to stay and continue.

[Woolie Wool]

Originally posted by Rampage


By being on this planet for 38 years, I can conclude that faith in Jesus is blind.  If it weren't blind, we would be soobjective that He wouldn't be able to lead us.  Jesus is the Father who leads his son blindfolded to a surprise.  Faith in Christ means 100% subjugation!

The same thing goes with the Bible.  One must see through its "paradoxes" and understand it at face value because we are not given the right to interpret it.  (Of course, symbolism is used quite oftenly in the Bible and we should see them symbolically, not at face value.) We can never interpret it correctly.  We are not God and never will be.  Thus, we must debase ourselved to absolute trust in the Father and absolute servitude of the Father.

I'd rather deep-fry myself than enslave myself to a deity. I find your post extremely offensive. I am a human being, and no god will take away my humanity and my free will.