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Offline Martinus

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Reply #100 on: September 12, 2003, 10:43:01 am
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The answer to that is simple: everyone in this thread is doing the same, and ignoring it would deprive them of extra fun. Remember, if they didn't like arguing, they would not be in here, as nobody here can get anything out of this aside from possibly fun. :D
 

[color=66ff00]I was mainly pointing it out for charlotte and anyone else that doesn't know that you enjoy discussion. I guess they probably abandoned the thread earlier though. ;)

No offense intended BTW, just trying to avert the possability of flaming. :nod:
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Reply #101 on: September 12, 2003, 10:44:05 am
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and so she must have read the Kazaa user contract.


Not necessarily. Not everyone reads the EULA to every piece of software. I don't. I just click the checkbox and install the damned thing.
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Reply #102 on: September 12, 2003, 10:46:23 am
Read the user contract? Ever seen how friggin big those things are? And how much gibberish and technical terms it has? No way on earth can a little 12 year old understand it :p

Besides, I never read it. Did it once and I squandered 15 minutes of my life and a few dozen braincells... :p
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Reply #103 on: September 12, 2003, 10:50:23 am
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Besides, I never read it. Did it once and I squandered 15 minutes of my life and a few dozen braincells... :p


T, you know you are contradicting yourself again, right?

i never read them myself, but officially, you have too. so in court this goes, if you use the software, you read and understood the EULA, you agreed on that by clicking the dang box.
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Reply #104 on: September 12, 2003, 10:57:04 am
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T, you know you are contradicting yourself again, right?

i never read them myself, but officially, you have too. so in court this goes, if you use the software, you read and understood the EULA, you agreed on that by clicking the dang box.

[color=66ff00]OK this is getting into the silly area of argueing just for the sake of it, you know what she means. Picking at irrelevant details is stupid unless you've honestly got nothing better to do. :rolleyes:
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Reply #105 on: September 12, 2003, 11:04:07 am
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[color=66ff00]OK this is getting into the silly area of argueing just for the sake of it, you know what she means. Picking at irrelevant details is stupid unless you've honestly got nothing better to do. :rolleyes:
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1) it's friday, i have vowed to never work on friday, so i have nothing better to do.
2)i needed something else to post then just "i agree, but", i also posted more then that one sentence.
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Reply #106 on: September 12, 2003, 11:20:01 am
Actually since the EULA counts as a contract doesn't that mean it doesn't apply to minors? Minors are not legally obliged to follow any terms set in a contract they signed.

Doesn't that also mean you can get around any EULA by saying your 12 year old installed the program? :D
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Reply #107 on: September 12, 2003, 11:22:57 am
And of course, the Good ol' British love of the underdog :)

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Reply #108 on: September 12, 2003, 11:50:21 am
It's all moot now anyway cause the family have coughed up the dough.
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Reply #109 on: September 12, 2003, 12:39:27 pm
[color=66ff00]I visited penny arcade where Tycho and gabe took their usual wry stab at the RIAA, anyhow Tycho left a bunch of links to anonymous file sharing apps:

http://www.filetopia.org/
http://mspencer.net/blocks/
http://www.blubster.com/main1.html
http://www.projectelf.com/WhatIs.html
http://freenet.sourceforge.net/

Anyhow, I've taken a look at Freenet before and let's face it it's not anywhere near as friendly or popular as Kazaa, I was wondering what you guys (that have used them) thought of the other apps? What has the most potential?
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Offline diamondgeezer

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Reply #110 on: September 12, 2003, 12:57:03 pm
Er... don't suppose anyone knows a piece of tech to actually let me use Kazaa anonymously? I mean, not that I'm downloading big truckloads of RIAA-protected music or owt like that, but it's nice to know if the option's there.
 

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Reply #111 on: September 12, 2003, 03:55:53 pm
I will now deal with the arguments against me:


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This has to be the SINGLE, MOST STUPID argument I have ever heard. CD quality, in any case is better than MP3 quality. Mp3 quality reaches CD quality at 300 kbps and up

Do some research.  128 is CD quality, now 300.



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Stealth: Having 1000 mp3's is not an indication of knowledge as far as I can tell

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Not necessarily. Not everyone reads the EULA to every piece of software. I don't. I just click the checkbox and install the damned thing.well you're legally supposed to read the user agreement, so saying "well most people don't" doesn't really help your argument :doubt:

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Read the user contract? Ever seen how friggin big those things are? And how much gibberish and technical terms it has? No way on earth can a little 12 year old understand it


I don'to understand how you can all argue this.  

Has anyone heard of Napster?  I know i have, and i know everyone i've spoken to has heard of it... the lawsuits filed against Napster hit headlines multiple times... there's no way a 12 year old honor student doesn't know about that... because EVERYONE knows about that... my neighbor's 10 year old daughter has heard about Napster...

Napster was closed down because it was geared to sharing ILLEGAL MP3s... Kazaa, WinMX, Morpheus, etc. are all clones.  It's not like she had 1000 MP3s on her computer from CD Rips, it says she USED KAZAA... how can you be so idiotic so as to say "oh but poor 12 year old honor student in school... she was so poor she probably never knew she was doing anything illegal".  that's bull****.  the kid deserves to get punished AS MUCH AS ANYONE ELSE DOES!!! being 12 years old doesn't exempt you from anything.

Now even if she did not know... that's no excuse... as i've said before, you get punished for knowing what you did wrong or not.  saying "i didn't know i was doing something wrong" doesn't work...

If the girl has not heard of Napster or any of the anti-MP3-sharing lawsuits, then she deserves a fine.
 

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Reply #112 on: September 12, 2003, 05:55:49 pm
Maeg: Try Earthstation 5, it seems to be pretty popular and I believe it's anonymous. By the way, Freenet isn't really anonymity, it's giving up responsibility. You give up a chunk of hard drive space and files are stored there, but they're encrypted. So noone knows what they have, and therefore can't be responsible for having it. This hasn't been tested in court yet iirc. (though there was that guy who was off the hook 'cause kiddie pr0n was put on his comp by a virus, similar?)

About EULAs, have they been tested in court? Do you really have a legal obligation by clicking a button to "yes, I agree"?

Tiara: I was comprehending EULAs when I was 10.... ;) :p
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