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Offline Petrarch of the VBB

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Been thinking about the RIAA.
on: September 18, 2003, 02:08:07 am
Exactly how many people are they wanting to sue?

If we just take Britain and America, then lets see. Now I'm not sure of latest population figures, but I believe the US to be 250,000,000, and Britain to be about 60,000,000, hence a total population of 310,000,000.

Of that, what might it be safe to say use Kazaa?

Can someone give me sensible figure of what % of the population have 'Net access, as I want to work this out, and so prove that they've not a chance in hell.
 

Offline diamondgeezer

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Reply #1 on: September 18, 2003, 10:27:44 am
 

Offline kasperl

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Reply #2 on: September 18, 2003, 10:30:42 am
not sure about the net connection thing, but if you wanna go minimum, at least 10% of the people with net acces should do warez, if you take an estimate on the amount of **** available.

also, KaZaA as 3.644.636 users online right now, sharing 724.469.339 files.

edit:

i reset my res a bit higher, and now i can see that it's 6.163.712GB
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Offline Zeronet

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Reply #3 on: September 18, 2003, 11:16:12 am
RIAA can't affect people in the UK.
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Offline Petrarch of the VBB

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Reply #4 on: September 18, 2003, 11:18:10 am
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Originally posted by Zeronet
RIAA can't affect people in the UK.


Ah, the good old DPA, yes, but they'll find a way.
 

Offline 01010

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Reply #5 on: September 18, 2003, 11:36:42 am
The RIAA might not be able to touch us in the U.K but don't think for a second that the BPI won't be taking notes at everything happening at the moment.
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Offline Flipside

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Reply #6 on: September 18, 2003, 12:22:18 pm
The one advantage we have in Britain is that they would have to prove that any warez downloaded were being done so for profit. So someone who just downloads for home use is, at the moment, not very prosecutable :) But as CP said, it's just a matter of time.

Flipside :)
 

Offline Kosh

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Reply #7 on: September 18, 2003, 12:37:11 pm
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,97438,00.html


At least one company is against the RIAA.
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Reply #8 on: September 18, 2003, 01:16:39 pm
If RIAA had global access then, well, where would it end eh? They would have to sue at least 20 million people !
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Offline Hippo

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Reply #9 on: September 18, 2003, 03:01:41 pm
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Originally posted by kasperl
not sure about the net connection thing, but if you wanna go minimum, at least 10% of the people with net acces should do warez, if you take an estimate on the amount of **** available.

also, KaZaA as 3.644.636 users online right now, sharing 724.469.339 files.

edit:

i reset my res a bit higher, and now i can see that it's 6.163.712GB


It was in the 6,000,000 ish users online at a time before the RIAA started this crap. :blah:
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Offline TheCelestialOne

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Reply #10 on: September 18, 2003, 03:14:06 pm
It differs with the time of day, timezone and other crap like that.
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Offline IceFire

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Reply #11 on: September 18, 2003, 05:59:28 pm
Apparently since the RIAA started this whole legal business, trafic on Kazaa has actually INCREASED rather than decreased.

I in no way advocate the piracy of copyrighted works which includes art, music, film, and other forms of media...however, the RIAA is fighting a loosing battle for an embattled regime of corruption that is the music industry.  Their time is nearly up...they will either adapt to the new century or they will eventually come to pass.  At the moment they think that they can adapt by making sure that everyone else falls into line with their thinking, but this is not really acceptable to anyone.

For years we've known that we were paying FAR TOO MUCH for a single and even more for the album.  It costs them virtually nothing to produce a CD (in the area of 2 cents or less per CD).  With something like 10% going to the artist for that $25 or so that you spend the rest goes into the coffers of our friends in the record industry who tell us what music we want to hear and tell us what were going to pay for it.  For a long time there wasn't much to do...now there is.

I hope more services like iTunes show up (and not Microsofts crappy "license to listen" garbage) so that we can go online, get the music we want, pay the flat fee for the service (per song mind you, but its very reasonable) and move on.

These guys at the RIAA are the kind of heavy handed legal garbage that makes democracy look bad.  Protection of copyrights...who's copyright are we protecting now...the copyright of the artist to the song or to the middleman who has become obsolete...form your own conclusion.
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Offline Grey Wolf

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Reply #12 on: September 18, 2003, 06:08:52 pm
I agree. The RIAA's tactics are basically "Shock and Awe" (anyone remember that phrase?). But realistically, they're reaping the results of their own practices. If they want to actually avoid getting completely screwed over, they have to come up with a service at least as good as iTunes, and preferably a bit cheaper (~25-50 cents a song, in my opinion, would work out fine).
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Offline Blue Lion

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Reply #13 on: September 18, 2003, 06:32:38 pm
So, people don't like the the prices, so they steal it, and you blame the people who sell the songs.

I think it's about time they started smacking some of these kids around, if they were stealing anything else everyone would be all over it. If they were stealing CDs out of stores it'd be different?
 

Offline Kamikaze

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Reply #14 on: September 18, 2003, 06:38:13 pm
I agree with most of the above, but I want to make a lil lament about itunes... though I like the new distribution method, I really, really hate DRM. If itunes didn't have DRM it'd be perfect.
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Offline Grey Wolf

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Reply #15 on: September 18, 2003, 06:49:26 pm
Actually, I was talking about the high prices. I personally don't download songs, and haven't since Napster went under. I'm just saying, you figure a good deal of the people downloading songs fall into one of these four categories:
1. Doesn't know it was illegal (probably gone)
2. Uses the downloads to test albums to see if they should buy them (which is what I did)
3. Feels that the prices are too high, and so download the songs (this would be the peope who would use iTunes)
4. Out to beat the Man/Don't give a ****.
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Offline Kamikaze

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Reply #16 on: September 18, 2003, 07:00:27 pm
You can't "steal" IP, the whole concept of ideas/data being "stolen" is silly.

Anyhow, people constantly bring up this money thing. However, do artists really get much money at all? No, of course not. So money just keeps going to the rich, oh what a lovely system.
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Offline Blue Lion

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Reply #17 on: September 18, 2003, 07:23:22 pm
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Originally posted by Kamikaze

Anyhow, people constantly bring up this money thing. However, do artists really get much money at all? No, of course not. So money just keeps going to the rich, oh what a lovely system.


Hey you're right, all these artists are dirt poor :rolleyes:
 

Offline Solatar

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Reply #18 on: September 18, 2003, 07:55:34 pm
If I wanted a really kickass car but I couldn't afford it, would that make it ok to steal it?
 

Offline phreak

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Reply #19 on: September 18, 2003, 07:56:30 pm
if you can get away with it. :drevil:
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