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What's wrong with the idea of energy life forms?

Define 'life form'.

We can't say that 'this is life, and it's the only way it can be' because we only have one example.  It's like saying that all technology is based on fire; to our knowledge, only one species has evolved to the point of developing a technology, and that was based on fire, but we only have one example.

So really, we can't say that life forms comprised entirely of energy are impossible, because we don't know.
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Well, we only know we are a life form because of the energy patterns in our brains telling us so. So I suppose if the energy patterns can be coherent without any constraining matter, theres no reason why it's not numerically possible. After all, just about anything is :)

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I love this whole thing. :D

I find it fascinating that we are a matter-based life form whose technology is based around harnessing energy. Shivans appear to be an energy-based life form whose technology is based around controlling matter. Brilliant!

The question is, what's left for [V] now to explain..?
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I just say this if u want to know anythin about shivans u must be shivan, and ill give you this oprtunity in first week of november.
At this time my SHIVAN MOD should be redy ( i must do some things: web site, 25 % of 640x480 graphic and ofcouse  20 missions campaing )
part I: capella incedent ( first caampaing )
part II destroy of Aicents ( second campaign in December )
and part III final solution


:)

 
Mmmmm.... another campaign...

How many people are working on this project?  And when is it expected to be 100% complete?
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Is there a campain about the Ancients? If there is where can I find it?

 

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Originally posted by Falcon
Is there a campain about the Ancients? If there is where can I find it?


Inferno has the Ancients fleet. It would make for a depressing campaign though, since you would lose. :blah:

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Originally posted by c914
I just say this if u want to know anythin about shivans u must be shivan, and ill give you this oprtunity in first week of november.
At this time my SHIVAN MOD should be redy ( i must do some things: web site, 25 % of 640x480 graphic and ofcouse 20 missions campaing )
part I: capella incedent ( first caampaing )
part II destroy of Aicents ( second campaign in December )
and part III final solution

:)


Wow, I didn't know n00bs this n00bish still existed... *takes pictures and sends them to National Geographic*
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Re: Manifesto follow-ups, Part III: The Revenge
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I'll show you what I mean when I have time to do the illustrations for you - in about a month. Meanwhile, make sure you keep a permanent copy of this, in a text file or something, and keep it safe - email it to me, even. If you can stick around here for a month, I'll show you. ;)
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Methinks Turnsky might be helpful as well? ;)
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To reiterate: c914, when will your campaign be complete?  Or is it, as I suspect, another case of:

'w00t my <4mPa1Gn g0nn4 0\/\/N j00 4ll!!!!!!111  G0nn4 h4\/3 10ad$a hu3g $h1pz!!!!!1'
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It,s not only campaing but fuul operational mod with meany new things ( mainhal new graphic  loads weapons and much more new things )
Its done in 70 %.
People: only one ( but web site do someone else )
just wait until web site will be ready and you be know anthing about it:D
« Last Edit: October 19, 2003, 05:49:14 am by 1424 »

 

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Shivan Mainhall? Got any pics?
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And, no offense, but I trust and hope that the mission dialog is a much higher level of english than you are currently posting in? :)
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"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill

 

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dont worry i will not :)

and here it is shivan hall (  picture like in TBP and Infyrno )

http://www.freespace.prv.pl/moderia/shivan_mod/screeny/main_hall.gif

 

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Ah, gotcha. Nice render though :yes:
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Re: The Shivan Manifesto, Version 2.0
If logic is a piece of string, HLP crunches it up into a ball Quantum nLeap style and throws sense out of the window.



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Re: The Shivan Manifesto, Version 2.0
You necro'd a three year dead topic just to say that?
Karajorma's Freespace FAQ. It's almost like asking me yourself.

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Re: The Shivan Manifesto, Version 2.0
Why did you do it?
Why Dekker?
Why did you do it?
Dekker. Why did you do it?
Stop screaming Dekker. Why did you do it?
Dekker, why?
Why? Why, did you do it?
Why? Tell us why?
Tell us now. Why did you do it?
Why Dekker, why?
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Re: The Shivan Manifesto, Version 2.0
[Billy piper] Because i want to, Because i want to [/Billie piper]  :nervous:




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Re: The Shivan Manifesto, Version 2.0
****ing hell
Do we really need to bring up the Manifesto... AGAIN!!!