[Kazan]

Drew
[blah blah bull**** blah blah]

[Grey Wolf]

Originally posted by Kazan
Grey Wolf 2009: getting hits != getting valid sites

the sample group in that study is rather small.. and i am working on getting studies with bigger samples - but due to the search term combiination there is a high false hit ratio

That is true. These terms would most likely lead to some sites which would most likely not be what you were looking for.  As opposed to my search, which leads right to what I was looking for (crazy people )

[TheCelestialOne]

First of all, mutilation? **** that. Mutilation is having your arm cut of or being tortured by having someone slicing the skin off your face.

Second of all, chill out. You are really getting overexcited here. I'm getting the feeling you had the worst doctor/person in the world that did your circumcision. I'm circumsized but they left the nerves intact.

Third of all: Get some valid evidence and not opinions or statistics. Get facts. Statistics work on large groups not on smaller groups and opinions are nothing unless backed up by evidence that can't be refuted. Something I've yet to see here.

Last thing: You say it decreases sexual pleasure. That is the most crappy thing I've heard. Utter crap, bull**** and scat on a plate. Have you ever had sex???

[Kazan]

TheCelestialOne: You clearly didn't read the first sites a posted - i think medical fact that is correlated by the AMA, AAP, EU Health Organizations, UN Human Rights Counsel, etc is well enough established FACT

second - circumcision _period_ destroys vast ammounts o f sensory an immune system tissues [among others] -- whether or not the frenulum is also lost


the links in my first post are _not_ statistics - but medical fact


I HAVE HAD SEX YOU ASS - MANY TIMES -- I say it decreases sexual SENSATION and thereby pleasure because that is a medical fact [ that it reduces sensation -- there are less nerves]

It also alters function - that statistic of women's opinions may not be bulletproof but it's very logical considering an uncircumcised penis is how evolution created it


Get your head out of your ass an reserach a source before you call it biased

[TheCelestialOne]

Well, then you had a ****ing lousy doctor performing your circumsision really.

And because obviously you can't have a normal discussion I'm out of here. I mean, an0n has more reasonable discussion skills... You need to chill out and not get all emotional here.

This thread was useless as obviously you don't let room for discussion anyway.

Cya

[Stryke 9]

Dude, it's Kazan. Duh. Am I the only one who has a long-term memory around here?

Though I gotta say there are an awful lot of people like that on this forum. Rather odd, really, though it makes for great theater.

[Ulala]

Originally posted by Kazan


...I HAVE HAD SEX YOU ASS - MANY TIMES --...

...Get your head out of your ass an reserach a source...

Wow, I sure do feel like supporting Kazan's opinion now.

[Kazan]

Stryke 9: SOD off


TCO: I am not the one who made a personal attack on the other person first -- I am not the one who kept making statements contrary to established medical fact

[Stryke 9]

Oh, sorry, did I disrupt your indiscriminate flaming of everyone who disagreed with you? Or was it the bit where you kept going on about how you're a pillar of reason and wisdom that I got in the way of? Apologies either way- I aim only to please.

[Kazan]

Stryke 9: no, you're simply not welcome here since you cannot be in this thread without starting a flame - the reason why this thread was temporarily locked for cleaning was the flameware you started - you're not welcome, go away

[Bobboau]

I think he's still here,
lurking in the shadows,
waiting

[Ulala]

He always is.

[Fineus]

Calm it down please guys, I was impressed that so much of a thread on this kind of topic was actually mature - don't ruin it now. If the thread is dead then let it go. Don't descend into stupidity.

[Odyssey]

In the interests of providing a medically supported site that takes the other viewpoint, here you go:
http://www.circinfo.net/ - 'Benefits of Circumcision'

Again I remind you I don't really hold a viewpoint here. It hurts my ass, but I'm sitting on the fence.

Here's a nice balanced site, from BUPA, which is a well established medical group here in the UK:
http://www.bupa.co.uk/health_information/asp/healthy_living/children/circumcision/

[mikhael]

Originally posted by Kazan
Mikhael: did you bother to follow up into their sources - mine wasn't botched up - _but_ - that doesn't mean I'm not angry that it was done in the first place as it destroyed important structures of the penis.

I don't agree with your statement about society - provide your grounds for that statement

First, yes, I did follow thier references. Chill out. I still don't see enough supporting data --in my opinion-- to turn this into "MALE GENITAL MUTILATION!!!!!1111!! BAD! MUST STOPS TEH BASTARDS!!!!11!!!11".  You're over-reacting.

On Society:

We don't live in a society... that's about ensuring a person's right to choose anything. We seem to live in a society that is dedicated to protecting every persons right to choose what someone else does.

This country is about everyone's right to tell someone else what they can and cannot do. Look at things like the PMRC (which might be before your time) or the entire "Pro-Life" movement. Look at the so called "Moral Majority" (who are a minority), or all the laws on what kind of sex consenting adults can egage in. This is a country in which the majority of people do not worry about their own rights as much as they care about adjusting the rights of others. I really don't know how to explain it much better than that.

[Kazan]

mikhael: yes there are people that try that, and they currently have a president who plays along with them - but they don't get that far


circinfo has a far number of irrelevant/outdated references

[01010]

Originally posted by Kazan



I HAVE HAD SEX YOU ASS - MANY TIMES

This makes you sound like a vietnamese prostitute.

[Fineus]

Grow up. I'm not joking.

[Odyssey]

Originally posted by Kazan
circinfo has a far number of irrelevant/outdated references

Please would you care to present proof that what you say is so, and that your sources are up-to-date? I'll only half-heartedly believe you until then

[vyper]

Originally posted by mikhael
You're over-reacting.
 

How can somoene over-react to having part of thier penis cut off?