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Offline an0n

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I'm not even gonna mention Fair Use as it'd just be too ironic.
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Offline Black Wolf

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God...I'd forgotten about that.  I'm still quite proud of my only attempt so far at 'copied' work - especially as it's probably more accurate, a lot more 'tightly' modelled and far better mapped than the 10k+ model I initially used for a reference.

Map needs darkened a bit, though - albeit the actual rivets, etc are pretty much in the exact same place as the TV model.


See this boys and Girls? You know you've gotten complacent in your own skills when you can forget a mod that'd be a crowning glory for almost any other modder in the community :p
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Offline Flipside

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If I had the time DG, I would offer to lend a hand where I could with the S:AAB Mod, and I've never even watched the series!
Maybe in a couple of months :)

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I was going to repost my apolgy in their forum, but I guess it's a moot point now...
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Sorry if I came off as sounding like a tight ass, but we have had others ask us if they may use our material, and we have said no. I do not model or handle in game subjects. Spooky and Thursday are the primary game modelers. Jeff makes the high poly meshes and textures that they work from. Spooky and Thursday have had instances where someone took their work and used it in their own work without permission. They were very stoked at that and rarely give permission to use their material. Im sure you can see why now.

Being a S:AAB fan, I can most definitely relate to having more S:AAB games/mods out there on the net. It almost saddens me to see that no one else has taken advantage of the qualities of S:AAB and put them into a game, period.

And as for acting like a child, as was said by someone here but dont remember his/her handle, we most certainly are not. I would like to see this team make their own material, have it taken from them and put into someone else's mod, not have them informed that the material was taken, and then see how THEY feel. Plus, Geezer didnt have the balls to put a link up on his website even AFTER he found out that we found out our material was being used by someone else without permission.

You have to see 2 sides of the coin here. I will be giving Spooky and Thursday the link to this thread in hopes they might be able to clear up some things and maybe to add the way they personally feel.

And any of you would like to comment on the thread that I started at my forum about this subject....

http://www.thegamingunion.co.uk/Forum/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=17;t=000412

feel free.


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Well this has turned into a right Royal ****up.
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Offline StratComm

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Honestly, that's got to be the most snobbish, stuck-up community standard I've ever heard of.  Granted, it's usually best to go ahead and seek permissions before using other people's work.  However, by the simple facts that 1) these meshes are not the original work of their creators but rather almost certainly unpermissioned copies of someone elses designs, and 2) the fact that these models are available without hacking their computers is generally more than enough grounds to assume that they are for public use.  All the FS:AAB mod did was convert them from homeworld meshes, right?  I don't see how "ripping" them is grounds for a **** off letter, or such a defensive "our content, our content" whine.  Really now people, grow up.  That's not really any different than converting a model from Homeworld, with the sole exception that these models are not credited to the homeworld staff so crediting them properly takes research.  Unless of course they were somehow planning to make money on the deal, in which case I say go right ahead and see how long it takes both Sierra and whoever produced S:AAB to sue their asses off.  They are right, this is a modding community.  By that fact we assume that we all would rather see our work reach as broad an audience as possible, and should take the use of our work by others (so long as it is properly credited) as a both a form of flattery and of publicity for the rest of your work.  If they want to be dicks about it and deny permission now, then that's their problem, but they would never have given the permissions to begin with from the responses they are giving here and in their own forums.  For that matter, since they are a part of a public mod, don't they practically lose claim to the models anyway?  Unless they went to the trouble of making them legally theirs by copyrighting them or whatever (which they couldn't do, since they were taking copyrighted material and putting it into someone elses copyrighted file format) then unless I'm mistaken there's not much of legal or a logical claim that they can't be used.

To all members of the HLP community, please never act like such a child when someone else wants to use your work.  It's embarrasing.

EDIT:  And for the record, I would think that having "content" (in this case models) used with an appropriate link to the original project would be far preferable to not having them used; the reasoning that "you've screwed up so you can't have permission" is extremely childish.  There's really no way around it.
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Offline diamondgeezer

For the record, Jason, I didn't rip down the pics immediately since a) I was waiting for a follow up to the email telling me the matter was being discussed and b) my FTP access was down for f'n ages

BTW I'm assuming you're this Jake Hughes person that's been sending me angry emails. Just so I know who's who in this affair.

 

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this whole thing can be summed up in one word: ridiculous.
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Offline Zeronet

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If somebody used my models without permission, but didnt actually claim they belonged to them, i wouldnt get all upset and cry. Not unless, after i informed them i made the models and they refused to credit me or something, then i'd be a annoyed somewhat.
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Offline Solatar

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Originally posted by jason8472
Look, we really do not want our work being taken from us and used in other mods or websites. Period. There was NO permission given by any of us because your party decided NOT to contact us regarding the usage of our material in any way, shape, or form. It does not pay to be sneaky in the modding community, fellas.

Maybe, JUST maybe, we would have given permission if you would have asked. But since you already screwed up, there is no chance now.

Like I said before, I am sorry. Good luck with your project, and if you would like some pointers for your mod or need SAAB expertise, drop by the SAAB: Homeworld forum and ask.

Just consider what you have learned from this experience. Sucks to learn lessons the hard way.


*stares*

Well at least he's to the point....:blah:

EDIT: Besides, I'm starting to wonder how legal YOUR models are since they are copies of someone else's models in the first place.

 

Offline Solatar

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I'm not taking sides here though.

DG, you shoulda asked.

Jason, you shouldn't have acted rude.

sucks for you DG...:D Too bad though, I was looking forward to playing this.

 

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There's nothing to stop DG making his own SAAB models for the mod and if he did that nobody could whine at him.
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Hey, I didn't jump on anyone so :p

Just because they have no female members doesn't mean you aren't guilty :p
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Offline diamondgeezer

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There's nothing to stop DG making his own SAAB models for the mod and if he did that nobody could whine at him.

I could make the UEF carrier from scratch if I absolutely had to. But those textures? No chance.

 

Offline Killfrenzy

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I never said anything about textures, I just said models! :D

Heck, I'll even give you a hand if I can find a snippet of time and a couple of simple designs! :D
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1. Stratcomm: please.

2. Yep, Im Jake Hughes

3. I really dont care if you guys think Im being rude. You HAVE to put yourselves in our shoes.

4. Solatar: I find it rude that no asked us for permission in the first place.

5. Yes, I am to the point.


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Offline diamondgeezer

Dude, ignore this lot for now. No disrespect to them but this is for you and me to resolve. With that in mind, have you read the statement on my website and considered the matter further? This is the last time I'll poke the issue.