[Star Dragon]

But since it was never discussed I have a folder in my shipyard folder containing hundreds of ships from multiple games ( HOMEWORLD just being ONE of these games )...  PLUS credits that were included with those mods  (once instead of just enjoying viewing them of making renders for my own amusement, I discovered they can be converted)  I started keeping those posts and including them with the mod folders they came from for future use should anyone actually be interested in my ship library (since I am NOT a modler and have NO skills).

    This is how it would have gone down...
Once Demo was ready (soon), I or DG would have informed your team of our efforts. He only recently found out from me where they came from originally besides the word homeworld... even I had fogotten the link and would have gone back to searching, but I took that responsibility on myself. Due to work, military, and other issues in my daily life (of which modding is just a hobby and NOT MY LIFE) I put it on the back burner... Even if your response would have been negative, at least it would have been a better ending if I had been able to approach you and say, HI I'm (so and so) and my associates and I have this mod we've been working on and since we both love the show would you be willing to let us use your work in our mod since it is easily convertabile..ect...
BLAH.... Worse case senario a negative result would have restricted the mod to the team members and not the general public after so much work went into the "secret project" of junior modders (term meaning few projects worked on or beginning modders)... But regardless the credits you have included in your mod download would have been included in force so all model and texture credits "would" have been listed (Or I would have to give DG an earfull, not that he hasn't already    My rant is done.


  As for any future work I have most of the episodes and am willing to do the voice rips of what I can, but background noise from the show (mostly music) really throws the atmosphere off if we have music playing for that mission also, plus a second or to of out of context music is distracting...

   "oh yeah, and one more thing... It's ok to be scared." - TC McQueen

[Darkage]

Where is Razor when you need him?

[Taristin]

Originally posted by Darkage
Where is Razor when you need him?

How dare you. You know better than ask such a stupid question!

*trouts Darkage*

[Darkage]

Was bored:)

[Kazan]

*Flame*

Listen here "Jason" - coming from someone who has had to rip on people for blatantly stealing my PROGRAM CODE before your actions are unjustifiable and deploreable.  Your attitude is snobbishly 8 year old "this is my sandbox, get out".   Let me familiarize you with how this works

A) Person X produces a Hammerhead model, which is an unlicensed, un permissioned rip of the show's model for game Alpha -- Person X is allowed to do with under fair use
B) Person Y converts Person X's moel from game Alpha's format to game Beta's format - PERSON Y DOES NOT HAVE TO OBTAIN PERMISSION, As long as person Y credits Person X with the actual creation of the model then Person Y has not even slighted Person X - if Person Y takes credit for Person X's work they are being dishonest, but not breaking any law since Person X's work is not origional [they are both fair-use exercises]

This is not the same for program code though, such as code I've ripped on people for copying and the like.  Program code is (normally) origional work, even if it's dealing with a file format you do not have permission to read/edit/write it's still origional work - this is why POF Constructor Suite, VP Constructor Suite, etc are actually covered by copyright law, as when your models _are_ _not_.

---------------

The slight against you here was _Accidental_ and they had the maturity to step up to the plate and apologize, for an accident.  You then had the gaul to yell at them, act stobbish, stomp your feet and pout about people playing in your sandbox.  You came to their sandbox to do this, how foolish.


Furthermore, before you try and make an analogy between this situation, and the balatant copying of a Volition model into HW and that person claiming it is his - that person copied an AUTHORIZED, COPYRIGHTED MODEL, then CLAIMED ORIGIONAL WORKMANSHIP for it - he blatantly violated copyrights, just as if someone were to copy my code without my permission.


*End Flame*


/me hands Jason a Clue-a-gram

[Solatar]

Originally posted by Kazan
*snip*

Well, said...

*retreats into shadows*

[an0n]

Yeah, that's great, if not for one little thing: Fair Use died with the rise of the DMCA.

[Stryke 9]

I like how he screeches like a banshee at everyone for "stealing" his Precious, rants on about how he never lets anyone touch his stuff no matter what, and then turns around and starts complaining about how nobody's set up a proper S:AAB mod yet and he doesn't understand why. Funny ****.

Anyway, after having read this thread, I am impressed, nay mildly disgusted by the degree of self-abasement and ass-suckage DG went to. You know, that more than made up for the relatively minor model thefts, especially since on cursory review they weren't exactly da Vincis of CG in the first place. And especially since it's DG, and it's fun to see him grovel. Had you spent long months working on those models, invested a large amount of personal soul in them, anything, you might come out sounding different. Were you even the person who'd made them, rather than a self-appointed spokesman for those who did, you might have come out sounding different. As is, I'm inclined to point out that in this rather uncomfortable situation you are in, you really can't do anything to solve anything but talk, and hence I'd recommend you start talking well. Treating people like **** is not a good way to get them to do what you want if you exert no power over them.

Keep in mind that I don't have to do much imagining- I have been in your shoes before, more or less. You still come off sounding like a jerk. What does that say about your approach?

Also, that's precisely the reason I watermark all my limited-access stuff that goes up for download. Which is very easy to do, and highly recommended for anyone who can be bothered to keep tabs on their ****. Ahem.

[Shrike]

Kazan, shut up.  Your imput is not needed.

In fact, all of you shut up.  This is between DG, Star Dragon and the HW S:AAB team.  Nobody else.

[Kazan]

Shrike how can a put this simply: Bite me

[Kazan]

{This is Kazan's gf}

Originally posted by Shrike
Kazan, shut up.  Your imput is not needed.

Considering this took place on the very public HLP boards, it seems rather stupid to get upset that other people in the community are responding to it. It also seems very childish to tell a person who has done a lot for the board (not saying you haven't - its a matter of being proffesional) to shut up "your input is not needed." It seems like most everyone in this thread is trying to resolve this little tiff and get the community back to a peaceful state. Your comment was unnessecary and against the general attitude of the board.

In fact, all of you shut up.  This is between DG, Star Dragon and the HW S:AAB team.  Nobody else.

Ditto. If you post it on a public forum, don't be so naive as to think that other people won't respond to it. If you really wanted to keep it between the people and groups mentioned, you should've kept it off the board.  Common sense there.

[Stryke 9]

Never mind that, as a mod for the general community, this affects the entire community. Both communities, actually.


And if you lock the thread everyone'll just go over to the other guy's forum, which'll be a far uglier scene, so don't think it.

[Shrike]

How about 'STFU because you're not involved and just jumped in and started flaming.'  DG already said that he wanted to resolve this privately.  Your comments and barracks-room lawyering were definately uncalled for and unneeded.

Yes, this was public.  Until DG said that he wanted to resolve it privately.

[Shrike]

Originally posted by Stryke 9
Never mind that, as a mod for the general community, this affects the entire community. Both communities, actually.


And if you lock the thread everyone'll just go over to the other guy's forum, which'll be a far uglier scene, so don't think it.

Sounds like you're having fun over there.

Incidentally, I agree with what you posted there.  I have had a piece of artwork used without my knowledge, but when I spotted it we were able to resolve the entire issue equitably.  I didn't mind them actually using it, except for the whole thing about I hadn't given my permission, and they weren't aware who had made it - all they knew that someone from Spacebattles had posted it a long time back.  So we talked it over a couple emails, they gave me a 'sorry' (it wasn't THAT big of a deal), I got credit for the original pencil image on the site and now I might be doing a couple more for them.  So it all worked out in the end.

Had someone used, say, my Alcyone with my permission I might be a bit more peeved, as more work went into that, but who knows.  I think not trying to find out who made the original model wasn't very bright, but either you get over it and support the modders after chastisement or see your support wither.  It's probably a lot easier to find who did models because generally they're fairly rare and/or people know them - especially for something as uncommon as S:AAB.

Anyhow, I hope both sides come to some sort of agreement.

[Stryke 9]

Eh, it's either this or homework.

Anyway, yeah, I think everyone's been there at some point. I suspect sooner or later more level heads will come into play. But we'll see- maybe the flaming will go on interminably! Fun!

[Drew]

this whole thread has been quite amuzing
*looks at jasons lame retoric*
*looks at Kaz heartlessly beat him down*
*looks at Srike making no sense*

[Stryke 9]

Indeed. I want to learn to rage like Kaz.

[an0n]

Am I the only one who read through Kazan's last post with a female head-voice?

Very strange, that.

[Stryke 9]

I read all of your posts in a voice that sounds like Cheech.


Okay, not really, but I wish I did.

[an0n]

I do all yours in a Scooby-Doo voice.