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Offline Fineus

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The Saitek Cyborg 3D. Excellent for lefties. I hope to upgrade to this over christmas:


 

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If the question were: 'Post a picture about the thing you play FS2 with', I would say: 'You can imagine a keyboard, can't you?' :)

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I personally hate FS with joysticks, so the joystick is not the thing I deeply miss. I would rather have a pretty girlfriend. :)


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All you keyboard fliers are weirdos. Sick, perverted weirdos.

 

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yeah i didn't say "what do you play FS with" purposely because i know many people don't play with a joystick, they use the keyboard, myself included. (well, i started out playing with a joystick, but went to keyboard in mid 2000).  i still use a joystick for many, many games though. :)

  

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got a sidewinder 2. Don't use it much save for Crimson Skies ( don't even use it for FS2 anymore, I use keyboard+mouse: I turn with both, keyboard to reach the enemy fast, then mouse to play sniper. sounds strange, but it's deadly :p ).
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[color=cc9900]mik, I can see you're one of the die-hard sorts, so I won't continue arguing to save your wallet. My only point, for anyone else listening, is that for $80, the Saitek X45 is bloody good value compared to practically any other joystick on the market, given that it has almost the same amount of features as something that costs around $269. Hell, if it's a shed-load of features you want, get a Saitek and a $5 keyboard, then you'd be laughing all the way to the bank. In the unlikely event that the Saitek breaks, then you've still got enough money left for two more and a little pocket change besides. I don't see how you can argue the other way around on value.
Um, about the programmability thing, I haven't even tried to do most of the things you've listed, but I do know one thing for sure - with a little button press, you can change the axes to do something else. So your research is questionable. And anyway, what kind of crazy games are you playing that need that many features? I struggle to find enough things to fully map onto the Saitek in any game I have as it is, and that's without even playing around to a massive degree with programmability.
And, using your modder's analogy, if it was my own money that got me Lightwave, I wouldn't bother. I'd stick with Truespace, Milkshape, Blender, whatever. Better to be ingenious with functions (I barely scratch the surface with Lightwave's featureset to achieve what I want, I don't trust most of the features to do it for me) than to be out of pocket for the next 5 years (on my scale).[/color]

 

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The Saitek Cyborg 3D. Excellent for lefties. I hope to upgrade to this over christmas:



The Evo's pretty sweet looking ,... but for me I'm looking into the Cyborg Force Feedback
I just hope it works better than my Cyborg 3D, it had a up/left jump in it for some reason so I really never got to use it.

Currently I'm still plugging with an old MS Sidewinder Force Feedback (Can't recall the exact model and too lazy to look for it) best stick I had before this was a Gravis Eliminator Precision Pro, not a bad buy at $20 and the Precision button was sweet for pinpoint aiming at max Kayser range during SW matches :D

*EDIT* As for the X-45, mine was a pretty good quality stick,..I just never really got used to having the rudders on the bottom of the secondary stick, much prefer having a twist stick feature,...and since I've not found a reasonably priced set of pedals,...my X 45 is merely a dust magnet.
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Offline Martinus

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All you keyboard fliers are weirdos. Sick, perverted weirdos.

[color=66ff00]Damn right. It's just sinister. Sinister I tell you!
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I don't see how you can argue the other way around on value.

Is it a 'value' if you pay to get less than you want? Not really.

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And anyway, what kind of crazy games are you playing that need that many features? I struggle to find enough things to fully map onto the Saitek in any game I have as it is, and that's without even playing around to a massive degree with programmability.

For programmability, I can point you to a nice list of games that can and do benefit from the kind of programmability that the Cougar has: Freespace1 and 2 (lots of functions not documented in the manual, but are there in the key mapping screens). Falcon4. IL2 Sturmovic. Every Jane's flight sim ever. Every Mechwarrior game after 2. Independence War 2. Independence War 1. Tachyon: The Fringe. Descent 3. Heavy Gear 1 and 2. Jane's AH64 Longbow 1 and 2. Microsoft Flight Simulator (all versions). X-Plane. That's a mere handful. You might struggle, but for those of us who do take it a little bit seriously, its not hard to exhaust the possibilities of the Saitek.

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And, using your modder's analogy, if it was my own money that got me Lightwave, I wouldn't bother. I'd stick with Truespace, Milkshape, Blender, whatever. Better to be ingenious with functions (I barely scratch the surface with Lightwave's featureset to achieve what I want, I don't trust most of the features to do it for me) than to be out of pocket for the next 5 years (on my scale).

As one of the people that paid out of pocket from Lightwave and Truespace, I did bother. Better to have the right tools than settle for garbage, if you can afford it.

Now, if you just want to play a shooter, like Crimson Skies, sure. Play with a Saitek. Its not a terrible game stick, but that's all it really is.

Side Note: I know the X45 isn't a force feedback joystick. I was listing that as something that should never be found on a serious stick and throttle. That's silly game-stick stuff. Same goes for a 'twist' axis on the joystick itself. That doesn't have any place on a serious stick. Get rudder pedals, map it to a rocker switch or button pairing, or do without.
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I use the same joystick as odyssey
(saitek x45)

 

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[color=cc9900]Saitek X45 (HOTAS system, with rudder paddles on the back of the throttle):

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Same here.
And Warrior5 as a secondary :D
(dun have a pic of that one though)
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Offline übermetroid

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um...  Does that Saitek X45 have force feedback?  That thing looks cool!  

But I need my force feedback.  I like that on my Microsoft Force feedback pro.
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um...  Does that Saitek X45 have force feedback?  



Nope
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My old joystick was one of these:

Bought new from Sam's Club for $49. Still have it, but a bunch of the buttons have worn out and I have no way to fix them.

A Saitek X45 replaced it. (The X45 was the only HOTAS I could find in stores around here, and that expensive Cougar hadn't been released yet.) It may not be quite as programable as the Cougar, but with the 3 position mode switch and pinkie trigger you can get 6 different functions (or function sets for hat switches and axis) for each control. That's enough for me. The analog dials haven't proven to be useful in most games, (hard to find anything to use them for) though they're handy in FlightSim. The missile button cover can get annoying in active games (like FS2 or D3) but is very easily removable. The pinkie switch can alter the functions of any other control when it's pressed, or be used as a regular button. Considering the lack of HOTAS controllers out, I think it's a nice alternative to the Cougar for those who don't have hundreds of dollars just lying around.

In FlightSim I even have ATC controls setup so I don't have to use the keyboard to interact with ATC. And I still have plenty of possible functions I haven't bound to anything yet. (I haven't used the pinkie switch modes much for instance.)
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Sidewinder Precision Pro
not too fancy, only 9 buttons (16 if I felt like programming the shift button) 3 axes, but it gets the job done quite well :)
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Offline Stealth

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uhhh excuse me, have you ever played Janes F/A 18 Super Hornet?  Took me like 2 days just to learn how to take off.

... or maybe that was another game... last time i played janes super hornet was like 1999...