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ugh, you know what you call a protest that isn't organised like that, a RIOT,

you... people... :mad:
if Bush so much as sneazes you scream oppresion and "1984"!
you realize that by the time dark lord Ashcroft brings about his truely evil powers nobody is going to listen to you becase of this bullcrap

this is how protests have been organised for DECADES
GOD DAMNIT
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No. A riot is when a protest turns violent. None of these protest showed any signs of turning violent, and in fact the vast majority of protests are peaceful.

What the Secret Service did, if you would care to read the article, was to confine the protesters a half-mile away from the site of the rally, out of view of the media and where they could be easily ignored. This infringes on such principals as freedom of speech and freedom of peaceful assembly. Whats the point of there even being an opposing side, if they are brushed under the carped, out of view?

If an opposing viewpoint wishes to be present, that is their right. You can't claim such nonsense as the protesters being a dangerous and unruly bunch, since these zones are set up prior to the actual rally, not after a violent event occurs. Pre-emption seems to be the word of the year.

Now please, if you would, explain to me how this doesn't infringe on freedom of speech rights? How is this not censorship?

 

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ok, the way it works is before the protest, all sides get togeather and decide, were are the protestors going to demonstrate, were is the 'whatever it is that there protesting' going to take place, how can the demonstrators demonstrate while at the same time not chocke the city, or cause actual damage, or not actualy get around to doing something physical to the 'whatever', and if they still decide to try (ie if a riot breaks out) they can still be brought under controle.

the people were alowed to demonstrate, they wern't shot or run over with tanks, this isn't an infrengment, please tell me when something important actualy happens, (like someone getting arrested for telling there kid 'Bush is a dolt') and quit freaking out everytime something normal happens.
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Originally posted by Bobboau
ugh, you know what you call a protest that isn't organised like that, a RIOT,

you... people... :mad:
if Bush so much as sneazes you scream oppresion and "1984"!
you realize that by the time dark lord Ashcroft brings about his truely evil powers nobody is going to listen to you becase of this bullcrap

this is how protests have been organised for DECADES
GOD DAMNIT


Actually, Bob, in this you are wrong. Only a few presidents have isolated protestors the way the bush administration has. Notably, these have been, in recent years, the senior Bush administration, the Nixon administration and the Reagan administration. The Clinton administration did not isolate protestors out of the president's sight, nor did Kennedy or Carter. Hell, even Johnson, for all the horror of a president he was, didn't.

Now, as for the riot thing: I hardly call holding a sign with a slogan of dissent where the President of the United States can see it a riot. It doesn't even fit the definition of the word riot ("a public act of violence by an unruly mob", according to Google). Its free speech and is protected, or it used to be.

I'm all for keeping the dissenters seperate from the supporters. I'm completely against hiding the dissenters away where the President and his cronies--or the press--can't see them.

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ok, the way it works is before the protest, all sides get togeather and decide, were are the protestors going to demonstrate, were is the 'whatever it is that there protesting' going to take place, how can the demonstrators demonstrate while at the same time not chocke the city, or cause actual damage, or not actualy get around to doing something physical to the 'whatever', and if they still decide to try (ie if a riot breaks out) they can still be brought under controle.

ACtually, if you RTFA, you'll see that this is NOT the way it works. The Secret Service tells the local police to arrange "free speech zones" and the dissenters are hidden.

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the people were alowed to demonstrate, they wern't shot or run over with tanks, this isn't an infrengment, please tell me when something important actualy happens, (like someone getting arrested for telling there kid 'Bush is a dolt') and quit freaking out everytime something normal happens.

One can hardly call it a demonstration when the President can't see that the people are dissenting. Also if you'd like to be told when something happens, RTFA. People are hogtied and dragged away for dissenting ("they might wander out in front of the motorcade and get hurt", my ass). Some people HAVE BEEN arrested and put on trial for approaching "too close to the president" (that was in South Carolina). So yeah, here goes:

BOBBOAU: SOMETHING IMPORTANT HAS ACTUALLY HAPPENED. NOW GO READ THE ****ING ARTICLE.
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We should just nuke the planet. That way there will be no more problems at all.
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ok, the way it works is before the protest, all sides get togeather and decide, were are the protestors going to demonstrate, were is the 'whatever it is that there protesting' going to take place, how can the demonstrators demonstrate while at the same time not chocke the city, or cause actual damage, or not actualy get around to doing something physical to the 'whatever', and if they still decide to try (ie if a riot breaks out) they can still be brought under controle.

the people were alowed to demonstrate, they wern't shot or run over with tanks, this isn't an infrengment, please tell me when something important actualy happens, (like someone getting arrested for telling there kid 'Bush is a dolt') and quit freaking out everytime something normal happens.


But see, the protesters had no say in it. They were not consulted, and therefore this was not an agreement, it was forceful. You stay in the area or you get arrested. Now, if the designated area happens to be nowehere near any place of importance, well thats jus too bad for you.

I don't live in America. I don't think that American domestic policy will ever much affect my life. I could live the rest of my life and not give a damn what happens to the American people in their own country. And yet, I still find this to be important, to be not only an indication of the character of this regime, but also an important precident. One where dissent is silenced and laws are free to be ignored by the governement. And if you, you who lives in America, who I suspect cares deeply for America, can't really see the importance in this, who thinks this is simply another whine-a-thon, then I'm really ****ing saddened. Such apathy for the state of your nation. Dissent is one of the the most partiotic things you can do. The right the express contrary viewpoints, the right to question and hold responsible your government, and yes, the right to get outraged when such a gross breach of civil liberties occurs; thats what makes you a citizen and not simply a yes man.

 

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You merkins ought to suppply your media teams with, like, vans or something. That way they could go film the protestors kept at the other end of the road. Doesn't really matter if Bush sees them or not. It matters if the voting, TV-watching public sees them. Well, in theory

 

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If the media decides to make the effort. Which they won't. I suspect that even if the protestors were in full view, they would be if not ignored outright, then maximally marginalized. I have yet to see a dissenting voice on a major American news show. The major networks seem to be running over each other to see who can kiss the most ass. And the result of such an environment is that the "mainstream" voters are left with a totally one-sided viewpoint.

 

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protests have been known to turn into riots, remember Seatle

ok do you realy think that Bush (who does know there there, as he was the one who ordered them there) is going to change his mind from seeing people with 'no blood for oil' and 'Bush is a nazi' signs.

 I doubt it,
Bush is probly more worried about one of them throughing a bomb at him. wich is completely crazy and paranoied

and you guys must be getting a prety distorted veiw of American broadcasting as I see hords of decent here
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You merkins ought to suppply your media teams with, like, vans or something. That way they could go film the protestors kept at the other end of the road. Doesn't really matter if Bush sees them or not. It matters if the voting, TV-watching public sees them. Well, in theory


1) What the **** are we supposed to do? I don't own any media corporations.. and I don't remember ever having authority over any...

2) Media Corporations are looking for ratings. Ratings get them money. More people are interested in seeing what the president has to say, whether they love or dispise him, then see a bunch of people talk about how much they don't like him. That'd be why medias wouldn't show as much coverage of anti-bush protestors.. unless they become noteworthy of course.
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The Bush Administration is starting to piss me off. They need to stop violating The consitution, Also a communist nation is one step closer in the hands of the.... you guys' know what i'm going to say.
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Well.. November this year should certainly be interesting one way or another.
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I think you mean totalitarian or fashist, comuntism is a econimic system by wich the government owns and controles all (most/major)  busnesses and services and everyone gets basicly the same payment, food, ect...
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That's what i was thinking of. i'm not voting for Bush this year!:ick

Maybe Dean...or Al Sharpton. :doubt:
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protests have been known to turn into riots, remember Seatle

ok do you realy think that Bush (who does know there there, as he was the one who ordered them there) is going to change his mind from seeing people with 'no blood for oil' and 'Bush is a nazi' signs.

 I doubt it,
Bush is probly more worried about one of them throughing a bomb at him. wich is completely crazy and paranoied

and you guys must be getting a prety distorted veiw of American broadcasting as I see hords of decent here


Yes, and boys have been known to grow up to kill people. Does that mean we should kill all the boys? Should be assume that all boys will grow up to be murderers? Sorry, but your arguement in completely illogical and has no basis in actual fact.

Bush did not order the protests to be moved, it was the Secret Service. Bush barely knows which country he's bombing, its all passed down to him by his advisors. I think that there is a very strong possiblity that Bush does not know that there is a protest taking place. And no, I do not think that Bush is likely to change his mind. However, I think that the same cannot be said for a certain amount of viewers who should be watching the proceedings with an accurate picture of the supporter/dissenter base. Its not the protester's goal to change Bush's mind. Its their job and their RIGHT to voice their opinions for anyone who will listen. Doesn't matter if they change a single person's mind, its their  right to be there. And its the media's job to cover the situation fairly and subjectively.

Yes, I agree. It is completely crazy and paranoid. Thats like excepting to be trampled bya stampeding elephant while driving to work. Yes, it has happened, but its insane to expect it to happen and to take such drastic measures with no specific information available.