[Sandwich]

http://www.ats-online.org/files/movies/224helicopter_kills.mpg

Whoa...

[aldo_14]

This isn't the link off bluesnews, is it?

Bit sick, really.

[Zarax]

Ouch... next time better to play dead with such a kind of threath

[Sandwich]

I don't know where it's from - my brother sent it to me on MSN.

I wonder what that structure they were messing with on the left is/was? On one hand, it didn't look like the Amreicans took very kindly to it being messed with, but on the other, they didn't seem to mind riddling it with little holes, either.

[aldo_14]

On the left?  Pretty sure it's / was a tractor.

EDIt - yep, sure it is.  You can see plough marks at the back, and it's got a steampipe for the engine.

[01010]

That's what I like to call overkill.

[Ashrak]

Originally posted by 01010
That's what I like to call overkill.

what about A10 bomber witgh clusterbombs hitting a building or troops?

[Hunter]

There is a reason that footage doesn't get put into Documentaries.

[J3Vr6]

How is a cluster bomb attack on troop positions an overkill?  Can you think of a quicker way to neutralize large quantities of soldiers without the use of napalm?

This footage reminds me of the video of the marine gunship in Afghanistan taking out targets and what-not.  Anyone see that one?  I think it was on here before.

[Drew]

poor iraqi dudes.

[hijack] To bad, if Saddam had dissarmed when he was supposed to we wouldnt have to do that to em.... [/hijack]

[Bobboau]

is that an aaa gun there going to in the begining?

[Dark_4ce]

Holy ****! I mean those guys really dissintegrated, with it being thermal vision too, you can see... Well the mess left behind...

*shudder*

[Ashrak]

Explosive rounds.....what you expect?

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by J3Vr6
How is a cluster bomb attack on troop positions an overkill?  Can you think of a quicker way to neutralize large quantities of soldiers without the use of napalm?

This footage reminds me of the video of the marine gunship in Afghanistan taking out targets and what-not.  Anyone see that one?  I think it was on here before.

The after effects of cluster-bombs are the problem.... besides which, I'm pretty sure a MOAB, etc, would have the same effect.  Sure, it;s pricier and a smidgen harder to deliver, but it's not going to leave stuff around to blow upo civvies in the future.

[J3Vr6]

His comment was regards to it being overkill, which is what I was responding to.  Cluster bombs are extremely effective on troops and airstrips.

The only issues that cluster bombs have is that some don't detonate, and that could be said about any explosive device.  Yeah, they look like ration packets but that's besides the point. There are hundreds of people who get killed by landmines yearly worldwide that were placed there 30-40 years ago, but it still doesn't take away from their effectiveness at stopping troop and carrier advancement during the war they were placed in.

[mikhael]

That looked like the tactical display in an Apache, and that looked more like the chin gun, not cluster bombs

I find it interesting that they shot the guy messing with the tractor but chose not to shoot the wounded guy. They shot the pickup instead. Its obviously deliberate.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by J3Vr6
His comment was regards to it being overkill, which is what I was responding to.  Cluster bombs are extremely effective on troops and airstrips.

The only issues that cluster bombs have is that some don't detonate, and that could be said about any explosive device.  Yeah, they look like ration packets but that's besides the point. There are hundreds of people who get killed by landmines yearly worldwide that were placed there 30-40 years ago, but it still doesn't take away from their effectiveness at stopping troop and carrier advancement during the war they were placed in.

My point - which is really aping that of human rights organisations - is that a large-ish number of unexploded bomblets are harder to find and disarm (and thus more dangerous) than a single large bomb.  Basically the old argument over weapons that can kill a long time after the war... and that they should never be used unless it is absolutely necessarry and unavoidable - which i can't really see for cluster bombs.

That is going a bit OT, anyways.  Especially as it's the gun that fire, i'm sure, and it's presumably the gunsight camera (isn't that the one used in the Apache cockpit?).  

Oh, and remember it's better to badly wound or cripple your enemy than kill them, for fairly obvious reasons.

[Dark_4ce]

Originally posted by mikhael

I find it interesting that they shot the guy messing with the tractor but chose not to shoot the wounded guy. They shot the pickup instead. Its obviously deliberate.

But they did shoot the wounded guy!

[mikhael]

at the end there, the gunner doesn't aim at the guy on his back. He takes rather deliberate and careful aim at the corner of the pickup truck and blows it up. He could have rotated the turret a half degree to port and up about a half a degree and put the shells directly in the guy's stomach.

[mikhael]

By the way, what's the context of this clip? What is its provenance?