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Offline diamondgeezer

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It largely depends which market you're looking at. Certainly GC is outselling the Billbox by a mile in at least one territory (ie. either Japan, USA or Europe) but I can't remember which...

 

Offline aldo_14

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Japan.  MS can;t give away x-boxes over there.

NB:  One crucial difference is that Ms makes a big loss on X-box sales, whereas nintendo apparently makes a profit on the GC.

 

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Well, most consoles are loss leaders for the companies.  They sell the consoles for a drastically cheaper price than production and make it up in the games.
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Metal Gear Solid, Splinter Cell, Resident Evils aplenty (including some exclusives), Eternal Darkness *pauses for breath* Metroid, F-Zero, Soul Calibre, Turok 4. And that's without looking up any more in a magazine. Oh, and Hitman and XIII. And Killer 7.

Meh. You're closer than the other guy, certainly, but I wouldn't say GC suffered from bad games - see the list further up this post and add Zelda which is quite frankly amazing. Anyone who dismess Zelda citing the cel-shading is ignorant and is missing out :)

And that's all I have to say about that


I agree with DG on pretty much every point here, except Turok. There's never been a good Turok anything. Ever.

I won't claim the GC is the best console on the market (actually, yes, yes I will right now), but its got some fantastic games. Anyone who dismisses the GameCube because of 'kiddie' games is a lobotomised idiot.
Sure, Nintendo's INTERNAL focus tends to be less 'adult', but that doesn't always mean 'kiddie'. The SSBM, MarioKart, and MarioParty games aren't kiddie, but they're not too mature either. They appeal to a broad range of gamers. For every Pokemon out there, there's a Metroid Prime.
If you start looking at EXTERNAL, third party stuff, you can't really complain. They have a broad range of titles from kiddie to addult, in every genre.
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Metroid Prime was the reason I bought a Gamecube. Of course right after I bought it they had the price drop... oh well.
and DG is right on about Wind Waker. it's awesome.
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Yeah, Metroid is the real Nintendo console-seller. Forget Mario or Zelda or Donkey Kong. Unless its got a Metroid game, I'm not shelling out my money for it.
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True, Metroid Prime is got to be one of the TOP 20 GAMES :nod: of all time.

As for Ps(2) and XBox I know that these consoles are usually bought more than 60% of the time under the influence of one of the following (Highest to Lowest):

  • DVD Support (Although not very good decoding)
  • Disc Format simple to Copy (Pirating)
  • Brand Popularity
  • Cheap (Combined Support for Games + DVDs)
  • Karaoke Support (rare but it happens)
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Seriously, what do you guys like so much about Metroid Prime?

From the day that I watched my friend play it, yah, it looked cool, but half the game seemed like it was just random tasks to get back your equipment and whatnot.. with lack of any actual continuing story. That and the lack of friendly interaction of any sort made the game seem rather boring to me.
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There is a story, you just have to follow it! Obviously not being a metroid fan you might find it difficult to grasp the concept of the actual plot. of Course if anyone asks for that, I'll say play the game :p

 

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Uh.. well, I've played/seen enough of the Metroid series to understand what it's about.. it just didn't look like it was going anywhere other than a long item trek really. My friend played from the beggining for a good 3 - 4 hours too. I asked him if this was some kind of training grounds of those alien bird people (that made the suit.. forgot their name) but he said it was the actual game. Meh.
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Does your friend read every message that comes about during the game?

Chozo btw are those alien bird people :D

 

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Metroid prime looked incredible!  But I can't play FPS on consoles.  I just can't.  I have a very difficult time aiming.  VERY DIFFICULT TIME.  I can only do FPS with a mouse and keyboard setup.  To tell u how bad I am, I stopped playing GTA: Vice City for over a year when I got stuck in one of the missions where you had to shoot at a target range (It's one of the Malibu Club missions where you gotta hire a shooter).  No matter how many times I played, I couldn't pass it.  Finally passed it 2 weeks ago.
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Random statement - I only have Zelda and F-Zero, and I consider my Cube money well spent

 

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I tried getting my girlfriend to buy me the GameCube and she laughed in my face :(
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Until Pikmin 2 comes out my Cubes going to continue to gather dust sadly.

Xbox Live is eating wayyyy too much of my time to be healthy, 16 player Crimson Skies is calling me right now in fact. Zoooooooooooommmmmm.
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Mmmm.

 

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Seriously, what do you guys like so much about Metroid Prime?

From the day that I watched my friend play it, yah, it looked cool, but half the game seemed like it was just random tasks to get back your equipment and whatnot.. with lack of any actual continuing story. That and the lack of friendly interaction of any sort made the game seem rather boring to me.

If you played the other Metroid games, you know that the Prime story continues the story outlined in them. However, if you don't read the messages and examine objects in the world regularly, you will miss that story completely. The story is there, more completely than any other Metroid game. In all the others (except Fusion) the story is only told at the beginning and the end. With Fusion, you get story snippets here and there, with the Samus-X and the cutscenes. But with Prime, you get the story through cutscenes, terminals, scanning creatures and objects, etc. Ask your friend to show you the game log so you'll understand the story better. It contains every bit of text in the game.

What I like about Metroid Prime is that its faithful to the original NES and SNES game. It retains the feel of the old 2d platformers. However, it updates the look and sound of the game by making it 3d. They could have gone for the run-and-gun stupidity of games like Quake and Half-life, but they chose instead to stick to platform jumping and item collection and clever level design. There are some places where 3d allows the game to transcend the originals, however. 3d lets the level designers hide toys like missile packs and the like more cleverly. Jumping puzzles can be more complex and interesting.  Item usage is extended in interesting ways. One puzzle that comes to mind is unlocking the plasma beam. You use two different ball effects, the grapple, bombs and the space jump. All the classic Metroid tropes remain though, so the player never loses the feeling of the older platformers.

You mention a lack of friendly interaction and extended item collection as complaints. Did you not play the previous Metroid games at all? There was no real friendly interaction in any of them (there were the birds and fuzzy things that taught you to use the power jump and the triangle jump, I guess, in SuperMetroid and they show up in Fusion).  You might consider the computer in Fusion 'friendly', but I wouldn't. More importantly, Metroid has always been a collect-the-toys game, so this isn't a valid complaint about Prime. From the first Metroid on, there was a certain minimum amount of toys you absolutely had to collect to finish the game. Prime is no different in that regard.

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Metroid prime looked incredible!


Metroid Prime is not a First Person Shooter. Its a first person game, and you shoot things, but that's not the point. Its a First Person Platformer. If there was more run-and-gun stuff in it, not having a mouse and keyboard might matter, but the fact of the matter is that the game is about running and jumping more than anything else.
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No, Metroid was one of the classic gmae series that I never actually played through all the way.. only rented it once or twice.

And my complaints weren't about Prime within the Metroid Series, rather Prime as a game itself.
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First things first. Get Nesticle or some other NES emulator and get Metroid. Next, get a GB emulator and Metroid II. Then get some SNES emulator and Super Metroid. Then get a GBA emulator and Metroid Fusion. THEN play Prime. You cannot possibly go wrong.

I can see where someone wouldn't 'get' Prime if they played it in isolation. What it comes down to is that Metroid, no matter which title, is about item collection and platforming. The in-game story is secondary and only exists to keep you going to the next weapon or gadget. The story that wraps around the games is pretty thin, really, only serving to give you a reason to go charging around trying to stop energy sucking metroids from consuming the galaxy. ;)
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They could have gone for the run-and-gun stupidity of games like Quake and Half-life, but they chose instead to stick to platform jumping and item collection and clever level design.

[color=66ff00]I can't believe you lumped HL which is a rather fantastic story driven, puzzle filled and atmospheric experience with quake.

Actually I can't believe you slated HL at all, that game was pretty stupendous.
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