[Kazan]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/02/24/elec04.prez.bush.marriage/index.html


Fortunately it will NOT get a 66% supermajority in the house and then the senate

Then there isn't a snowball's chance in hell that it'll get a 75% (38) state supermajority


Mr [un]President should be impeached and removed from office for even suggesting such a propsertous violation of human rights. I am ashamed to call myself an american today, If this passes either the house or senate I will seriously start contemplating moving out of the united states.

[Fineus]

What can I say, someone must have voted him in to power - the rest of the world knows he's a tit. It's just a shame he has to go around proving it.

That said, I dislike Tony Blair just as much. So don't say I'm just biased

[JC Denton]

Erm, and, theological nonsensica aside, what exactly IS the definition of 'marriage'?  I was under the impression that such a term only referred to heterosexual couples...

[Fineus]

The (Christian, though now more legal than religious) binding of two people? At least as far as I can tell...

[Kazan]

Code: [Select]


mar·riage    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (mrj)
n.

   1.
         1. The legal union of a man and woman as husband and wife.
         2. The state of being married; wedlock.
         3. A common-law marriage.
         [b]4. A union between two persons having the customary but usually not the legal force of marriage: [i]a same-sex marriage.[/i][/b]
   2. A wedding.
   3. A close union: “the most successful marriage of beauty and blood in mainstream comics” (Lloyd Rose).
   4. [u][i]Games.[/i][/u] The combination of the king and queen of the same suit, as in pinochle.



Thank you american heritage

[the fact that it doesn't have the legal force is a violation of human rights]

[Stryke 9]

Oh, we are. I think we pretty much all are.

It's not exactly a "violation of human rights" so much as a disgusting show of playing on hate to win votes, and a mockery of republican (lower-case, note, I'm not talking Party) politics. About as bad, though, and he's had his share of fundamental human rights violations, what with Guantanamo and all.

[Kazan]

Thunder:  it's purely a theological thing that has been forced into the government - the government shouldn't recognize "Marriages"

the legal part of the government would be a "Civil Union" that _any_ two people above the age of consent can get

a "Marriage" would be purely a church ceremony -- but we should keep protection laws about age of consent so the theologians don't try to return to the days of marrying off 13-year-old girls to 30-something guys arranged by their parents

[Thorn]

I bet he'll declare war on Canada next since its legal here.
Seriously though, this merely reinforces my opinion of the man.
He. Is. An. Idiot.
Religion and Government have no business being together.

[aldo_14]

It's another example  of why politics and religion have to be separated.......incidentally, bush also started a reform proramme in Texas for prison imates - the key thing about this program was/is that is requires the inmate to be/become a fully paid up, bible studying, chrch-gong Christian (and a Baptist specifically, IIRC).  so if you're Muslim, sikh, Jewish, etc - or just an etheist - forget abou it.

EDIT -i keep reading that as 'the bigfoot in the whitehouse'.....

[Kazan]

aldo_14: I didn't her about that.. and the inmates didn't sue over violation of church and state


GOD I JUST WANT THAT ASSHATE OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE!

[Stryke 9]

Why would they? They just say "Sure, I'm Baptist, I seeeeen the LIGHT! Now lemme out!"

[Flipside]

Well, that's the whole thing, 'Marriage' as defined by the Church is different to 'Marriage' as defined by the government. I'm not sure where the two got mixed up, after all, Churches don't even officially recognise Registry Office marraiges or indeed, do Catholic churches recognise Protestant marriages etc. So it's all a pile of complete crap anyway.
I never needed a piece of paper to tell me how I felt about my partner either way. Bush is just sucking up to the lowest common denominator because he knows his election run is in trouble.

[Kazan]

Flipside: bingo


Bush is sucking up to the 6 million fundmantalist christians -- and is going to lose everyone else and his job - he should loose his right to serve in a public office ever again

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Kazan
aldo_14: I didn't her about that.. and the inmates didn't sue over violation of church and state


GOD I JUST WANT THAT ASSHATE OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE!

There was a series of programs (over here) about Texas on Channel 4, one of which covered this.... it was essentially about the justic system in Texas, but also covered a number of early-release / rehab schemes which were open to habitual or serious offenders.... I forget the exact details, but IIRC there was one for hardened male convicts, and one of juvenile female convicts.  Both were heavily based around religious worship, and very specifically Christian baptist.

To be fair, they were apparently effective  - but as the same time completely sectarian.  

IIRC, the Bush governemnt also subsidises some religious campaign groups (one promoting abstinance from shagging comes to mind), notably those who Bush shares his beliefs with.

[Unknown Target]

I am ashamed and dismayed at my country, and am supremely saddened by how far we've gone today that this can happen, for it to even be suggested

[Kazan]

i've been saying it for three years - bush is a neo-nazi

[karajorma]

Hell even Cheney isn't going to vote for this one. He has a habit of quietly torpedoing anti-gay stuff cause he has a lesbian daughter.

The fact is that this is no doubt an attempt to deflect attention by Bush. He knows everyone hates him but he figures that America are stupid enough that they will vote or him (or at least not vote) rather than vote for someone who would legalise gay marriage.

The sad thing is he's probably right. After all they were stupid enough to almost elect him in the first place.

[Ace]

Originally posted by Kazan
i've been saying it for three years - bush is a neo-nazi

Christian Right, meet the Christian Reich!

Bush: Hail myself!

[Corhellion]

...how...did he...get elected in the first place?

...Anyways...it's not for the government to choose who gets the right to marry who...it's up to the people...f***ing government...at least Canada is...oh...wait...our government is suffering from a...*thinks*...1.6 billion dollar lawsuit...some ****tard thought it was cool to allow a bunch of "unsafe" businesses to continue operating, and someone "lost" about a billion dollars in tax money...I blame Chretien...but he was cool...not as cool as Trudeau (one of the best PMs in the world btw)...

...aaaaanyways...

the US gov is fuxored...

[aldo_14]

Wonder if the next step is to ship out the homosexuals to Guantanamo bay?