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Offline Liberator

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Yes, I saw it.  I also saw that it was based on about 16 minutes of analysis.  Read the book, or talk to him.

Also, and I should have said this previously, before you accuse someone whom you have never met of bigotry, check your own at the door.  It is obvious that you have utter contempt and enmity for me and other Christians.
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I think Kazan failed to mention that its not a human right to spread STDs all over the place through homosexuality. And he failed to mention that AIDS comes from monkeys in Africa that was spread to humans through sexual contact and now especially through homosexuals.

You also failed to mention Kazan that every civilization that has suppored homosexuality has been wiped off the face of the Earth. Say what you want but thats a bit more than coincidence, especially with the destruction of Sodom, now the lowest point in the world on land.

I also didnt know it was a human right to encourage children, the future of society, that its ok to be homosexual and not beget children through love.

Supporting marriage between only a man and a woman is not being a bigot, nor discriminating... we never said gays couldnt marry... we just said they couldnt marry each other.

 

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Yeah Kaz, calm down. You'll live a lot longer if you simply accept theat there are some people who just plain don't agree with you.

However, Liberator, why do you feel that you (or the government, or anyone) have the authority to pass judgement on an act that concerns only two individuals - those getting married. Thats like if the government had the right to ban people from wearing blue shirts Its doesn't make sense.

Or actually, just read my post above.

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The ancient Greeks were huge, flaming homosexuals. And as far as I know, the Greek civilization is doing just fine. But thats an errenous line of thougt in the first place, since it takes historical precedent (which is arbitrary) over logic (which is not).
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Originally posted by Liberator
All of you, 38 states already have laws that prohibit same-sex marriage, Activist Judges, who legislate from the bench, would still force those states to recognize a SS Marriage from the other 12 states.


No. Completely wrong. The Massachusettes Supreme Court did not rule that Alabama's law prohibiting gay marriage or California's law prohibiting gay marriage was contrary to the Massachusettes state constitution. The Massachusettes Supreme Court only ruled that the Massachusettes state ban on gay marriage is uncinstitutional according to Massachusettes' state constitution. The question of whether a state ban on gay marriage would violate equal protection is a federal question, not a state one. Therefore, that question would go only to the US Supreme Court, not any state court.

And judging by how the US Supreme Court ruled against the Texas state ban on sodomy (the US Supreme Court ruled it unconstitutional, if you don't remember), chances are, if this gay marriage ban amendment doesn't pass (very likely), the US Supreme Court could very well rule that a ban on gay marriage is unconstitutional.

Or are you going to tell me that Justice Kennedy, Justice Souter and Justice O'Connor, all appointed by Republican presidents are activist judges as well?

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Another example of Activist Judges is the Roe V. Wade decision that is used hammer the Pro-Abortion agenda of the radical far-left.  It's not an actual law, it's a judicial decision on one case from the 1970s. It's treated as a law though, and unscrupulous individuals use that misconception to murder hundreds of thousands of babies every year.


Pure baloney. Any 1st year law student would shake his head at this. Law professors hearing you say this in their class would laugh in your face and suggest you find another line of work besides becoming a lawyer. Lawyers hearing you say this in the courtroom would immediately have your legal license taken away because of incompetence.

The US Supreme Court is designed to look at laws and see if they comport with the US Constitution or not. If they do, they are judged constitutional and remain as good law. If not, they are nullified. Roe v. Wade dealt with a Texas ban on abortion. The US Supreme Court looked at this law and said that the ban on abortion was unconstitutional and nullified it. The precedent from this case clearly states that any law banning abortion before viability is not compatible with the Constitution. Therefore, it is a matter of constitutional law that a ban on abortion is incompatible with a woman's right to privacy.

Defining the law is NOT just a matter of passing them in the legislature. Courts are asked every moment of every day to interpret what the law means. That's what they're designed to do. Cases in the court define the law just as much as legislatures do. Legislatures write the words of the laws, but it's courts who decide what they mean. Our system has been like that for more than 200 years.

Find out how the law works before you go off on a rant about "murder."

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There is a small, very vocal minority who are using the general apathy of the American people to steal their country from them.  That's what this is really about, the very future of America herself.


Yeah, that minority is called the Republican right-wing, who are so desperate to force every other American to their views.

You're complaining about people getting their rights taken away and yet you're ranting about nullifing a woman's right to choose an abortion without being hassled by the state? You're moaning about people getting their rights taken away and yet you're ranting about not granting gays the same right to get married as straight couples?

If you can't see how utterly contradictory your arguments are, I pity you. Or at least, I would if I weren't laughing so hard. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Liberator: You seem to fail to grasp formal logic - if i can call a logical fallacy in 16 minutes then it doesn't matter how long he speaks, etc - his argument still fails miserable

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DeepSpace9er - I AM APPAULED - You know what the largest infected group is with aids? HETEROSEXUAL WOMEN - the whole "it's homosexual's fault" is not only biogted bull**** - but it was perpetrated by fundamentalist christianity


Support your claim about civilizations that supported homosexuality getting wiped off the face of the planet - did those civilizations get wiped off the face of the planet by the FUNDAMENTALIST HORDE


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DeepSpace9er WOW YOU POST IS LACED WITH IGNORANCE

MANY STUDIES SHOW THE FOLLOWING

A) Homosexual parents raise normal children

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DeepSpace9er - you are a bigot, no better than liberator, unPresident Bush, and Rush Limbaugh -- do the planet a favor and do not procreate
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Offline DeepSpace9er

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Kazan.. what do you call sexual contact between animals and people? Bestiality.. and you know what? That is a common stem from homosexuality.

Btw.. you are desriminating against me in the process... and that is hate speech. :no:

No those civilizations did not get wiped out by a Fundamentalist hoarde, their cultures seemed to self destruct.


Oh and by the way... where do you get these "studies" of yours that claim A). Many studies are made each year on these things but their accuracy is a completely different story.
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Offline Bobboau

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you know the greeks wer quite into gayaty, and they didn't get ccataclismicly wiped off the face of the earth, and I beleve the Romans too (upon wich modern westurn civilisation is based)
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I think it's time to close this thread, Kazan is frothing at the mouth, and we're not actually getting anywhere.

Su, if you actually believe that the Conservatives are the ones trying to take America from the rest of the people, I think that you don't actually know your enemy all that well.
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Offline DeepSpace9er

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I guess you have nothing better to say about the subject bobboau than to attack me personally... im sorry you had to stoop that low.

 

Offline Rictor

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OK, admins please DO NOT close the thread. They always get closed right when the conversation is just beggining. The first 100 posts are "I agree" or "I disagree", then after that we get to the good part: the debate.

Kazan, just tone it down a bit. And stop making posts every 12.5 seconds. Put all you arguements into one post, or if you think its pointless trying to agrue with Liberator and DeepSpace9er, just don't post. Be constructive man.

I'm still not getting any respones to my line of thinking, which is Live and Let Live. Maybe I have to use more CAPS or something...

 

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I think Kazan failed to mention that its not a human right to spread STDs all over the place through homosexuality. And he failed to mention that AIDS comes from monkeys in Africa that was spread to humans through sexual contact and now especially through homosexuals.


"...Now especially through homosexuals." I've heard alot of ignorant statements but that's a doozie. AIDS is spread by heterosexuals just as much, if not more than homosexuals. Just look at Africa. The AIDS infection rate is booming over there and it's going to get a lot worse over there in the next few years. AIDS is spread in Africa mostly by heterosexual men and women, from husbands to wives because the husbands decided to sleep with a prostitute. It's spread among teenagers having unprotected sex. It's spreading all over the place because the African nations are having problems trying to convince their people that safe sex is, baring abstinece, the only way to prevent the spread of AIDS.

Saying that AIDS is a homosexual disease is just plain ignorant. I thought that stuff went passe in the 1980s.

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You also failed to mention Kazan that every civilization that has suppored homosexuality has been wiped off the face of the Earth. Say what you want but thats a bit more than coincidence, especially with the destruction of Sodom, now the lowest point in the world on land.


Guess what? Lots of other civilizations that didn't support homosexuality ALSO bit the dust. Civilizations are like people: they get born, they live and then they die. The length of time that they lived has NOTHING to do with the validity of their beliefs or not.

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I also didnt know it was a human right to encourage children, the future of society, that its ok to be homosexual and not beget children through love.


Well, you know better now. Homosexuality is not illegal or immoral, so it's perfectly ok. Don't you feel better now, DeepSpace9er? :)

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Supporting marriage between only a man and a woman is not being a bigot, nor discriminating... we never said gays couldnt marry... we just said they couldnt marry each other.


That statement is inherently discriminatory. That's what's called a double standard. Saying that one kind of people has to abide by a prohibition that other people don't have to abide by is the essence of discrimination. Saying that, all other things being equal, straights can marry but gays cannot is applying a double standard and is discriminatory and unconstitutional.

Tell me, DeepSpace9er, why would a gay man with no inclination of sexual desire for a woman want to marry a woman? How is it not discriminatory to say that a straight man can marry a woman but a gay man can't marry another man?

If you can't see the double standard here, you REALLY need to read up on equal protection.

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Su, if you actually believe that the Conservatives are the ones trying to take America from the rest of the people, I think that you don't actually know your enemy all that well.


Let's see, conservatives want to take away a woman's right to choose...

Conservatives want to write discrimination into the US Constitution by passing a constituttional amendment banning gay marriage...

Conservatives want to do away with environmental regulations that have provided health benefits worth billions of dollars to the American people...

Conservatives want to do away with the separation of church and state enshrined in the First Amendment of the Constitution, thereby ensuring that Christian values will supercede individual values...

Nope, I think I know my enemy pretty well. Do you think I'm your enemy, Libby?
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Offline Bobboau

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thank you for summing that up for me

there was also a thing in there about gays being responsable for beastiality :wtf:

it's not a personal atack, it's an analitical observation
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That statement is inherently discriminatory. That's what's called a double standard. Saying that one kind of people has to abide by a prohibition that other people don't have to abide by is the essence of discrimination. Saying that, all other things being equal, straights can marry but gays cannot is applying a double standard and is discriminatory and unconstitutional.


Its called morality and natural law... you know, that little voice in the back of your head telling you what is right and what is wrong?

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Well, you know better now. Homosexuality is not illegal or immoral, so it's perfectly ok. Don't you feel better now, DeepSpace9er?


I never said that homosexuality was illegal, but apparently gay couples marrying in California is. They are breaking the law deliberately... whats the point of law then? Your trying to relativize morality. There are definites in the world like black and white.. it goes the same with morality.. thats why we have religion and establishment to inform people.

 

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GREEKS!
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I love these threads. :D The really funny thing is that the proceedings here are essentially what democracy is all about. Also, I should have the right to be unaffected by gravity, because gravity is immoral and discriminatory. It is so because I say it is, and I am god.

You know what I would really like to see? An argument between Kazan and Stryke. Now that would really be worth watching, as they express their views wonderfully. :D
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that would be fun
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Offline Rictor

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Wow, that was unexpected. A post by CP saying how he looks down on us all with our petty feelng and emotions and justice and morality. We should all just study math. And ofcrouse, it has nothing to do with the subject at hand. And throw in some smilies for good measure. I have never, ever, seen anything of this kind before.

 

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DeepSpacer9er: you cannot appeal to "morality" because morality is DEFINED - defined by your religion in your case

You wanna try an appeal to natural law?  Finish the appeal and make it in it's entirely so we may destroy you


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he didn't mention math, yet

why would people want gays to act strait and marry and have children, when that would cause the gay 'seed' to spread, if Gay marrageas were allowed within a few generation there probly wouldn't be any gays left to sully your world view
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