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Offline an0n

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No, Jesus was the one all about love. God was all about "Seek thee not a homosexual friend or I shalt smite thine loins with fire".

But seriously, why would God go to all the bother when he could just spend 20 minutes with a pretty light-show?


And, yes, God DOES need a reason.
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Punishment for what?

 

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Also, if the point of Jesus dying was to take away all our sins, wouldn't bringing him back reverse it all.


And how in the name of **** can you consider it an act of love when he KNEW he was going to be ressurected and taken up to Heaven.

It's like saying to someone "I'm going to stamp on your foot, then give you a bar of Gold". Where's the self-sacrifice in that?
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No, Jesus was the one all about love. God was all about "Seek thee not a homosexual friend or I shalt smite thine loins with fire".

But seriously, why would God go to all the bother when he could just spend 20 minutes with a pretty light-show?
The persons of the Godhead share the same attributes.  They all have love, and they all have judgement.  Jesus was all about love when he came 2000 years ago, but next time he comes he's going to be all about judgment.

What do you mean about the light show, specifically?  Sending everyone to hell and not bothering?  Then everyone would be in hell, deservedly so, but God knows we wouldn't like it very much.  So he offered us a way out.

 

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No, Jesus was the one all about love. God was all about "Seek thee not a homosexual friend or I shalt smite thine loins with fire".

But seriously, why would God go to all the bother when he could just spend 20 minutes with a pretty light-show?


And, yes, God DOES need a reason.
Maybe God just has a really sick sense of humor.
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Umm, what exactly is humanity doing since christs death that it hasnt been doing before?

 

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Also, if the point of Jesus dying was to take away all our sins, wouldn't bringing him back reverse it all.
No... dying takes away the sin, resurrecting brings eternal life.
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And how in the name of **** can you consider it an act of love when he KNEW he was going to be ressurected and taken up to Heaven.

It's like saying to someone "I'm going to stamp on your foot, then give you a bar of Gold". Where's the self-sacrifice in that?
It's sacrifice all the same.  A small one, in your example, but still a sacrifice.

Take winning at the Olympics as an example.  You have to suffer through all the training, but you get a medal for your efforts.  And after the medal, there's no need for any more training.

 

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i would just like to point out an0n's arguement is devoid of any real effectiveness
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Umm, what exactly is humanity doing since christs death that it hasnt been doing before?


Well, we've built guns now.

Er....

****.

 

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Probably invented by a christian too.

Perhaps a better way of asking that would be what exactly did we stop doing when christ died. I.e. why was he offering us a way out of whatever he was doing to us.
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i would just like to point out an0n's arguement is devoid of any real effectiveness
But notice how they feverently oppose it anyway because it looks like it's directed against them.
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Good point, an0n. It could also be that the reaction is a mere defense of what is dear to them, less related to your ineffective argument and more to their own certainties. I know I can relate to that.

Btw, Kaz, for the sake of it, I'm interested in your definition of faith, which you say is a fallacy. Explain for me?
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Setekh allow me to quote the dictionary

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faith    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (fth)
n.

   1. Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.
   2. Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. See Synonyms at belief. See Synonyms at trust.
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as of late faith is almost excusively used is meaning 2 even when the person (ie a christian) is intends meaning 1
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Faith is a wholy stupid concept anyway.
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Mmmm, agreed. I'm not sure that's sufficient grounds to plainly state that it's a fallacy, though. Plenty of people have faith based on credible evidence in religious matters (including many Christians, though I'll grant you that there are many who don't). The mounting archaeological claims that back up the historiographical claim that the four gospels were factual accounts, for example. Despite the misconceptions, I don't think you can justly call 'faith' as a general fallacy.

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Faith is a wholy stupid concept anyway.


And your qualification for that, sir?
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there is no "credible evidence" for religious matters

the fact that the gospels had _some_ historical accuracy doesn't mean every thing they say is the truth (see: historical finction genre)
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I don't think religion is completely separate from history (especially Christianity), and so credible historical evidence is quite important. I see where you're coming from, though.

Well, I wouldn't expect them to be verbatim recordings of what occurred - such accounts never existed in ancient times in the form we have these days. I do think it's quite interesting, though, that many people will dispute historical accuracy based upon the differences between the gospels (particularly the three that are very similar, Matthew, Mark & Luke). They differ about 10-40% on matters of quotes (notably, Greek has no punctuation for quote marks - word-for-word recording was evidently of lesser importance than capturing the essence of someone's message) and orders of events, which is exactly the amount that people in ancient times saw as the standard for stories passed on by oral tradition. If they were exactly the same, cut-and-dried, I would have been more suspicious that the writers had met up beforehand and conspired to decide on a version of events that each would write about to make sure there were no inconsistencies.
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I still think the Bible is just the prequel to LOTR.

It's got Giants, Wizards, Witches, Dwarves...........
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rather, lotr was a reflection of the bible...
$quot;Let your light shine before men...$quot;
Matthew 5:16

When I graduate, I'm going to be a doctor, and people are going to come to me looking for treatment and prescription drugs, and I'm going to give it to them. Is anyone scared yet?

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Kaz, this is gonna sound like a stupid question, but what happened to you in the past that had caused you to dislike Christians so fervently?

Also, for the record, most good Christians mean both definitions when they say Faith.
So as through a glass, and darkly
The age long strife I see
Where I fought in many guises,
Many names, but always me.

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