[Ghostavo]

Sandwich, I think it says in the bible that lilith (sp?) was a demon!! (seriously)

[Stryke 9]

There's no reference to Lilith in the Bible at all. Or demons in the Christian sense, for that matter. Biblical Satan is still God's right-hand man and the snake's just a jerk. I think there's one case of demonic possession in the New Testament, but they're Jewish demons, basically wandering malevolent spirits having a hoe-down in some poor bastard's head, rather than rebel angels working in a coordinated plan to bring down God and assume power in Heaven which seems to mostly involve being obnoxious to humanity. Lilith's origins are in texts that were either excised from the Bible or just were created at about the same time and refer to something that sounds like Adam's story (I don't know the specifics), and the whole devil bit was made up by the early Christians so they could have a really good bad guy that wasn't nasty, sinful, intolerant people and hence a few centuries later be free to be nasty, sinful, and intolerant themselves.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by Stryke 9
Kara, in reference to the "evolution" bit- not quite. It's all apocryphal and generally is only really a standard of the nastier racists, but there are supposedly Biblical explanations for the diversity of mankind. Black people, for example, are supposed to be the descendants of Ham, after he was "marked" for seeing his father drunk off his ass and buck naked (which is really yet another case of God picking on the wrong guy... but then again, it's pretty established that he played favorites with the likes of Noah). I won't repeat the reasons that's the purported Biblical source of blacks, for reasons that'll be pretty clear to anybody who knows the passage, but that's a starter. I'm also reasonably sure there was an interpretation of the Bible that accounted for American Indians, though I'm not so sure about the other races. Probably the results of some other curse, I'm guessing, knowing the interpreters.

Fair enough. I tend to try to avoid the warped thinking of anyone who would claim stuff like that so I didn't know that.

[Stryke 9]

Ooh, there's no shortage of warped thinking when it comes to religion. Remember, we're talking about the thing used to justify basically every atrocity in history you can name.

[Janos]

My mind boggles at this.

[Nuke]

arez yousz stillz bichizng sbouzt religion, you guyz really needz to be gittezing a l oife becues at thisz trate you bee all gozing to khell.

[Stryke 9]

Yep. Actucally, I've been promised an internship there. I see you're logged for the circle used to punish immoderation. I guess stupidity isn't a deadly sin yet. Have to ask the big man about that.

[Janos]

[Nuke]

according to www.churchofsatan.com stupidity iz the nyumber one szin , andnd hthere forfe i muzst die

[Nuke]

Originally posted by Janos

if thazt waz what religion uz aboutz, id converzt in a secondz

[Nico]

An alizée fan. How scary

[Janos]

"Scavengers are set up to cleanse the human filth parade"?

 No we need more Alizee.



If you aren't a fan of nice ass, you're ___

[Nico]

double post

[Nico]

She might have a nice ass, pb is, not only she waves it, but she sings with it too

[Nuke]

i am pure, i am true i am all over you, i am laugh i am smile, i am the earth defilred, i am the cosmic storm, i am the tiny wormz, i am feare in the night, i am bringer of light

dimmu borgir ruelez and i congradulatez you fore nowinge themz

[TrashMan]

@Janos - there is proof all around, most people just don't perceve it as proof...God created the physical laws of the universe and He uses them to achive wonders (Why he uses them? Don't know...) such as storms, meteor showers, winds, locust swarms, pluges... Most people see them merely as conincendance, not as God's doing, but If you look at it, there are too many coincedances...

@Kajorama & Stryke 9 - I'm not re-inventing faith. You again forget the age of the Bible (even before it was writen) and the simple people that lived there. Like I said, the Old Testament is full of symbolims, but you still can't reinterpret it however you want. There are rules  (common sense, science) and guidelines (New Testament)

[diamondgeezer]

Simple people? Like the Egyptians, for example? Or the Romans?

Do I detecet a slightly romanticised vision of Biblical times?

[Janos]

My thread derail attempt failed.

Trashman. Seriously. Just stating something as "proof", without giving any further explanation, does not really give credibility to whatever you call proof.

So you say that physical laws are a proof of God's existance? Fine then. In other terms you state that God created laws of physics in his unmeasurable genious. This way you actually state that you believe there is somekind of driving force beyond the laws of nature, which is OK. That kind of Christianity I can live with, but  the fact is that no proof stand for this fact. Vague faith does not count as proof.

Then you proceed to contradict yourself. You state that Bible is to be taken metaphorically, but in the same time declare that winds, plagues and swarms of locust are a fact and should be taken as evidence. This sentence also boggles my mind and may cause me to gauge my eyeballs out with a spoon:

@Kajorama & Stryke 9 - I'm not re-inventing faith. You again forget the age of the Bible (even before it was writen) and the simple people that lived there. Like I said, the Old Testament is full of symbolims, but you still can't reinterpret it however you want. There are rules (common sense, science) and guidelines (New Testament)

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A book full of symbolism loses it's credibility in even most down-to-earth basics of it: if you say that it's full of symbolism, then how can you define some things as symbolism and some things as not? This requires historical and scientific proof, which you have failed to present.

As for the New Testament, it's basics lay in moral message: be kind, don't crucify random people and so on. But since morality and ethics are context dependant, even simpler facts of NT can become obsolete or twisted as time goes by.

But my rant mode is boring, I will now post random image which has nothing to do with the discussion.

[Nico]

catgirl?
Heh, that could work

[Stryke 9]

Trashman: And there's several thousand years of oral history and interpretation that say the Biblical characters are not meant to be metaphors for something, and the bearers of them would not take kindly to your suggestion. That one book is not all there is to go on, you know, and everything's pretty explicit on that account.

Janos, that's disturbing. In keeping with the Biblical theme we seem to have going here, I'm going to recommend you be stoned to death if you do not remove it.