[Goober5000]

Originally posted by Tiara
And the mortal sin of temptation was created by the hand of God himself

Not at all.  Allowing for the opportunity of something to take place and actually causing it are two entirely different things.

Originally posted by Bobboau
What I don't understand is how you people can be content with believing a completely bogus idea. God, for example. Where did God come from? Existed forever?

And the pendulum swings the other way. But the difference in this case is that God has existed forever.  He exists from eternity past to eternity future and he doesn't change.  Q.E.D.

[DragonClaw]

Originally posted by jdjtcagle
AAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NOBODY ****ING KNOWS AND NEVER WILL.
this bickering is pointless!!:mad:

Precisely my sentiments, although you could have put the idea forth in a more formal manner.

I will not respond to Bobboau's post largely because it has already been addressed previously.

And I don't know that God is who He says He is. That's why it's faith. If one honestly knew God, than there would be no such thing as faith. There hardly would even be choice. I have found sufficient support for my own belief.

[jdjtcagle]

If you want to believe this life is all the following
pointless
miserable
no hope
whats the pint inafuture if its going to end tomorrow

You see this is why the world is so bitter they don't have anyone to believe in.

To quote a movie (matrix)
What is real, if it is what you can see and touch, and smell.
then all real is, is nerves sending signals to your brain. cant remember the exact dialogue but you get the Jiff

[Bobboau]

well then why is it so insane to beleve in what he is saying that we beleive in?

[jdjtcagle]

It's not insane at all...
Either is my believe...

Only thing I said was that these questions has NO ANSWERS, reall read over the things I posted, Thats all I was saying

[Bobboau]

well, DragonClaw seems to think so, so I want to hear his reasoning

[jdjtcagle]

its simple he's telling you from his point of believe , which is only right through is believes and not what you can see

[Flipside]

All I'll say is that if God appeared to me and said...

'Yes. the Bible is my words, and I want you all to have wars over me.' I wouldn't be converted, in fact, it would probably take about half the heavenly choir to restrain me from kicking him in the balls.

[jdjtcagle]

I hate the BIBLE
it can't be perfect it was created by Humans
The New Testament in some parts contridicts itself
And if God told the People to right something down back then they would of left it out because they didn't know what the hell he was talking about.
I believe there was a GOD until we killed him on the CROSS!!!

[jdjtcagle]

As you can see, I'm the most different Christian you've ever seen.
I don't listen to preachers, I try to find the truth.
the only person you can trust in this world is yourself

[mikhael]

Originally posted by Goober5000
There's a very simple answer to this, and I'm surprised neither Sesq. nor Setekh posted it. The answer is: Why not?  Romans 9:21 - "Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use?"

SWEET. Someone found it.

Whilst the potter can indeed choose to make a some pottery for noble purpose and some for common, how can the potter fault the common pottery for being common and not noble?

[DragonClaw]

Bobboau: I believe it is bogus because by believing that, you are saying your life is pointless. It serves no higher purpose. Great move, no?

jdjtcagle: The Bible, the new Testament in particular, is just people's interpretation of what God has shown/revealed of Himself to them. I would, however, be interested to know where the New Testament contradicts itself though, so please post a few verses. I'd enjoy that.

[jdjtcagle]

post soon

[mikhael]

Originally posted by TrashMan
@Mik - You can understand God?
Mik, You can even define pefection! (You have no reference point, since NOTHING in this world is perfect and definitions aren't valid as negations - i.e., "pefect is everything that is not unperfect" is not a  valid definition).
A mind that created the whole universe if far beyond anyones understanding...

You seem to have a basic misconception about semantic dualism. One cannot describe evil without referencing good. There can be no sensible idea of light without dark. Left has no meaning without right. Forward does not exist without a balancing conception of backward. Without up, down isn't possible. The description of any one of these concepts implicitly explains the paired concept. In other words, because we understand imperfection, we must understand perfection.

Actually, I can show you one perfect example of perfection: mathematics. Math is universal. It is absolute. It doesn't--and cannot--change from person to person, nation to nation, planet to planet or galaxy to galaxy. 2 always follows 1. 3 always follows 2. It is entirely internally consistent and almost entirely self describing.

Further, whilst the world may not contain anything physical that is 'perfect', that does not stop anyone from understanding perfection. One can easily understand the concept of a 'perfect' crystal lattice, or perfect packing (button objects into another object). Physics is full of description of perfection, and lists of places where ideal, perfect solutions have to be adjusted to take into account reality.

Finally, we MUST be able to concieve of perfection and to define it. Without such a conception of perfection, it would be utterly, completely (dare I say perfectly?) meaningless to declare God to be perfect.

[jdjtcagle]

Ok...
this is not all of them but only the ones that come off the top of my head.
1.  Mistranslation was a big part of what I meant by contradictions tho,  did you know that Moses didn't cross the in old testament,  Did you know that Moses didn't cross the RED sea it was actually the reed sea
2.  One apostle talks of Jesus's arrest to be in a Garden while another speaks of it by a tree next to something or such.  So I guess that means under a Tree in a garden by something or such, or does it??
More later

Ok...  Found these
3. Who was at the Empty Tomb? Is it:
MAT 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
MAR 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

JOH 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

4.How long was Jesus in the tomb?
Depends where you look; Matthew 12:40 gives Jesus prophesying that he will spend "three days and three nights in the heart of the earth", and Mark 10:34 has "after three days (meta treis emeras) he will rise again". As far as I can see from a quick look, the prophecies have "after three days", but the post-Resurrection narratives have "on the third day".

5.  What did they give him to drink?
vinegar - Matthew 27:34
wine with myrrh - Mark 15:23

6.  What was the color of the robe placed on Jesus during his trial?
scarlet - Matthew 27:28
purple John 19:2

Is this enough??

[jdjtcagle]

Well??
There is more

[01010]

This topics on fire. Again.

[Omniscaper]

Reguarding supposed "contradictions"

http://www.rationalchristianity.net/143contrad.html

The different writings of those books merely complements/supplements each other. Any smart gatherer of different writings would easily have seen such contradictions and would have purposely left out contradicting writings. Yet these books are still put together because of what was really seen and analyzed as complementary.

Its so easy to take words out of its context without carefull analysis of what was being said. There is historical context, specific perspectives, and perhaps others  that are being disreguarded. Analyze the text before making such rash judgements.

For me, Christianity is not as BLIND a faith as people make it out to be. To me its a reasonable faith. Jesus presented the 2 greatest Commandments that supercede the 10 Commandments of the Old Testament.  

Jesus said: "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy MIND. This is the great and first commandment. And a second like unto it is this, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself" (Matt. 22:35-39).

Don't underestimate the inclusion of MIND in that first and greatest commandment. That means there are rational aspects that could be understood, since we were made with a rational mind.

[Bobboau]

DragonClaw: so if how cool an exciteing your beliefs about the origins of humanity are the test of it's validity then may I welcome you to The Church of Scientology "Never regret yesterday. Life is in you today, and you make your tomorrow!".
it's got Christianity beat solid, it has space ships, and evil galactic dictators, and all of humanity are supernatural super powered gods capable of bending reality to there will if only they would pay the church to teach them how to do it, don't let emporor Xanu win! it is your glorius desteny!!!

[Ghostavo]

To DC:A sad sad life must be for those who only think about "afterlife"...
And so by saying you are slaves to god is that any better?

What most of you don't realise is that instead of having a "god" making up that purpose, one can think for himself and take his own decisions about his life (make up his purpose himself).