[DragonClaw]

That still doesn't remove the fact that once you die, you're dead.

Was browsing around on this site and found this:

Originally found on scientology.org
But because man is basically good he is capable of spiritual betterment, and it is the goal of Scientology to bring him to a point where he is capable of sorting out the factors in his own life and solving his own problems.

That really turns me off, you know. Anyone who thinks he's 'basically good' is one twisted person. Makes sense that egoists would refuse to believe that there is a Higher Being.

These New Age religions really fit the culture these days. It's really the only reason they even have followers. It's all about "me". The advancement of the "self". "I" am better off. "I" understand "myself" better.

And it's hardly being a slave to God when your know you truly enjoy it.

[Ghostavo]

Isn't it what every ****ing religion is all about? "me"?

"YOU shall not..."

And it's hardly being a slave to God when your know you truly enjoy it.

[Bobboau]

you didn't actualy click that link did you...
oh you're ****ed now, get your 12 gage reddy cause the scientologists will be comeing for you soon

anyway, so saying that you are 'Gods specal creature' doesn't sound at all like the mind novacane there selling?

"once you die, you're dead."
yup no heaven no hell only a level of nothing that the human mind is generaly incapable of comprehending.

"And it's hardly being a slave to God when your know you truly enjoy it."

[DragonClaw]

Well, that's where you are wrong. I suggest you research Christianity a little more.

Bob: Yes... and that state of nothing has no connection with what you did with your life before. In other words, your life is pointless.

[Bobboau]

I went to a catholic highschool for four years, I have had quite enough 'research'

nice people, and good environment, but illogical belefes

[Bobboau]

what if your life is pointless, then why is it so important to beleve there is a point if there is none?

[Ghostavo]

DragonClaw

What most of you don't realise is that instead of having a "god" making up that purpose, one can think for himself and take his own decisions about his life (make up his purpose himself).

[DragonClaw]

If I'm wrong, and there is no God, than I won't care after I'm dead. "State of nothingness."

If I'm right, and there is God. Than you're in a pile of ****.

I hardly consider Catholicism a real bible-based religion. It doesn't even follow Jesus' teaching. Catholics worship Mary and Saints, where Jesus Himself instructed not to worship anyone but God.

Making up your own purpose for life doesn't make it a real purpose. What is your purpose in life? To get a million dollars? Oh, that'll help you.

[Omniscaper]

Scientology...   What a great mix of eastern religion and psuedo science. I just read up on it and I found it quite entertaining. Its interesting how Christianity is in constant ridicule for it's supposed baseless belief system, yet Scientology, under the guise of science and mental health, doesn't seem to get as much flak for its occult activities.

I have to admit that I found that their story makes great science fiction. I put it third in my list. The Matrix being the 1st, Dark City being 2nd.

[Bobboau]

but if Muhamid Akbar over there were both in for a realy warm afterlife.  

if what you beleve turns out to be a pile of **** then what you have is basicly you makeing up your own purpose in life, and "Making up your own purpose for life doesn't make it a real purpose".
honestly I don't care if you beleve the same thing as me becase as you said there is nothing to gain and everything to loose, but from my perspective I can only be pleasently suprized, the day I die I wake up in hell I'll be like "woo hoo! an afterlife! I was wrong! alright! well hellow there Cerberus! isn't it a glorius day in Hell!"

just becase something is better doesn't mean it's true..er

[Ghostavo]

Making up your own purpose for life doesn't make it a real purpose. What is your purpose in life? To get a million dollars? Oh, that'll help you.

And god giving you one counts as one?
I didn't say anything to espect such a "materialistic answer" but I will answer it none the less...
Example, I want my purpose in life to be giving humanity a propulsion system which will enable mankind to finally reach for the stars!!

Unrealistic you might say, but then again, you can't really use that argument given that... hehe... you know...

[DragonClaw]

Oh, yes, and once mankind blows itself up, your investment has done a lot.

And Bob, if you are fine with eternal suffering, power to ya!

[Ghostavo]

Oh, yes, and once mankind blows itself up, your investment has done a lot.

I have confidence that after mankind blows up only those who don't deserve Darwin Awards will be alive.
Either way, I chose my purpose, what happens after that is irrelevant, you of all people should know this, see your own religion for signs of it.

[mikhael]

Originally posted by Omniscaper
Scientology...   What a great mix of eastern religion and psuedo science. I just read up on it and I found it quite entertaining. Its interesting how Christianity is in constant ridicule for it's supposed baseless belief system, yet Scientology, under the guise of science and mental health, doesn't seem to get as much flak for its occult activities.

Dude. Scientology is probably the most attacked 'religion' on the planet these days--and they fight back with all the weight of their considerable bank accounts. You really need to read more. The only people who consider Scientology legitimate are scientologists.

I suggest a good place to start learning just how THOROUGHLY scientology is screwed up would be http://www.xenu.com/

Head on over. They've got links by the million.


Oh, and Christianity isn't baseless. Its just hard to reconcile for some of us. No one is ridiculing you. We (or at least those of us who are discussing things calmly and rationally) just want to understand your belief, or help you understand ours. That's how people grow.

[jdjtcagle]

SHUT THE **** UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ALL OF YOU
YOU MAKE ME SICK
God's slaves:wtf:
People's ignorance on subjects they no nothing about
how could you persuade another person to belief something you no nothing about.

If you don't believe in God
If you don't believe there was a man named Jesus that came to earth and died on the cross!!!
then how could you possibly know what it's like to have a God, be blessed by god!!

WE KILLED GOD!!!!!!!!!!!
Humans, doesn't that make you sick
We killed him and your going to blame him for your calamities

I sin everyday, I curse, Drugs with my friends, my family is in constant struggle.  The first day I believed in God he touched me, I could feel he hand touch my back and the truth is I didn't stop crying for three days straight.

Good-Bye to this thread

[mikhael]

Dude: keep it civil.

This thread has gone for a good long time with degenerating into stupidity. If you've got an case to make, make the case calmly and rationally, please.

The whole discussion loses its value if you start flaming. That goes for everyone else.

[Grey Wolf]

Originally posted by Ghostavo
Who said anything about big crunch? The universe doesn't have enough mass which by proof I give you that the velocity betwen galaxies is increasing so, it is not going to happen... sorry.

And how do you know god is who he supposedly tells you he is?

Isn't the current theory on the death of the universe a slow death, with all the complex systems such as planets and galaxies breaking down into their component particles?

[mikhael]

That's the Big Freeze model, GW. basically everything ends up seeking the lowest possible energy state, which is a homeostatic universe hovering just shy of absolute zero (AKA: heat death).

There are three broad classes of current theory that sprang from general relativity:
1. heat death (the universe has too little mass to stop its own expansion and does what I described above)
2. Big Crunch (the universe has too much mass and sucks itself straight back into a singularity)
3. Steady State (the universe has exactly enough mass to stop expanding and not contract and stays in a happy equilibrium)

Of course, option 3 is just a variation of option 1, since the Second Law of Thermodynamics will cause the steady state to decay.

[Tiara]

Originally posted by DragonClaw
Bobboau: I believe it is bogus because by believing that, you are saying your life is pointless. It serves no higher purpose. Great move, no?

Weee... Ignorance to the point of stupidity!

I don't believe in God but I still have a purpose in life. My purpose is to live my life as I want to. I am already living in heaven. My heaven. If I die, so be it. Everything has to end and so do I. I simply accept that fact.

The only thing in my life that serves no purpose is death itself.

(I dunno how I came up with that but I like that sentence! Into the siggy! )

The only thing you say is that you have a different purpose in life. It truly sickens me that you would consider being a slave to god's will is the only purpose in life. If there is only one purpose in life, life would trule be meaningless.

Ow, and: It's YOUR god, YOUR rules, YOU burn in hell.

[Setekh]

Tiara, your opinion is well respected. However, is it not clear that if such a God existed, that ruled the entire universe and upheld its own existence, then if It decided to put something into effect, it would affect not only those who believe it to be happening, but those who do not believe it to be happening? (Depending on the nature of the action.) Therefore, the statement that this God is now your 'own' does not negate its possible effect on you. What would negate that effect is if said God were false, non-existent or misunderstood, none of which has much to do with who actually believes in the God or not.