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Offline Bobboau

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Dude, it was all over the news!!!

well if it was on TV it must be true

 well if you think bush was bad, clinton was worse.
in what sence?

You think a christian guy like bush is as bad as the dudes who slammed into the WTC and Pentagon?

fundementalism is fundementalism, I don't care why you'r beleifs make you more human than me all I care about is that you have declaired yourself better and can justify any action becase you are right beond reason
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BY GOD AND ALL THAT IS HOLY ON THE EARTH AND IN IT AS WELL!

I want you small-minded, hateful bastards to stop and bloody well THINK about what kind of situation you'd be in if Bill and his pet witch had been in charge or, God above help us, Al "I am tree" Gore.

Bush is far from perfect, but he is the best President we've had since Ronald Reagan.

For the record, Clinton was more interested in getting his socks blown, and then lying about it while his witch, Hillary, was communicating with former first ladies ghosts.  It is Clinton policies that led to 9/11 by weakening the CIA and leading OBL to think he could strike against the Free World and not reap the whirlwind.

Get your heads out of the sand, and realize that President George W. Bush is a great man and a great American.

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If you think Bush is a Fundamentalist, you are further out of you're minds than I thouhght you were.  Just because he admits to praying for guidance doesn't make him a Fundie Wacko.  It marks him a good Christian.

You idiots spew that word like it's a curse.  Do not DARE to compare him to the likes of OBL or Saddam.
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So you support him purely because of his religious beliefs?
I don't support everything he does, but he's FAR better IMHO then anyother man running for president.

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well if it was on TV it must be true
An asprin factory was bombed. It's not something you just put on tv.

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in what sence?
read what liberator wrote.

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fundementalism is fundementalism, I don't care why you'r beleifs make you more human than me all I care about is that you have declaired yourself better and can justify any action becase you are right beond reason
But what is the fundementalism about? Is it true or Is it false? So hypoteticlly speaking, a liberal (which I assume you are) fundementalist is just as bad as a christian, muslim or whatever fundementalist?

Me better then you or anyone else for that matter? I'm a christian, I'm held to a different standard then everyone else, I AM A SINNER!! Infact I'm prolly worse then the lot of you since I'm a christian and I still willingly sin at/in things!

As for truth, just by responding and even having an opinion, you are saying what you think is truth. Therefor you are just as bigoted as I am.
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small-minded, hateful bastards
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OH! I get it now! We're hateful because we think the President is a putz, yes, that makes perfect sense! Veritable KKK members, that's us! We also eat babies!

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what kind of situation you'd be in if Bill and his pet witch had been in charge or, God above help us, Al "I am tree" Gore.
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Well, for starters, we wouldn't be paying for a deadwood "Homeland Security" department that can't stop people from bringing guns onto airplane or unlicensed hazardous biologicals into the country even when the people doing it aren't actively covering their tracks, never mind whenever an actual terrorist might decide to do it, in addition to a joke of an Army that can barely hold onto a Third World nation armed with a couple dozen grenades and as many as forty bricks never mind a genuine threat. We probably wouldn't have the world polarized against us to the point where if there was a genuine war it's likely be everybody against us, the threat of terrorism from overseas would not have increased substantially since 9-11, and we wouldn't have a theocrat trying to dictate orders as absolute tyrant to the country. Oh, and I forget, we would've largely recovered from this ****ed-up depression by now, instead of it getting worse and worse.

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Bush is far from perfect, but he is the best President we've had since Ronald Reagan.
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If incompetence, cynical attempts to manipulate the people, and strong neofascist tendencies are marks of quality, Bush is years ahead of Reagan. Reagan was just bumbling old man who funded terrorists and robbed the poor to feed the rich, not particularly fantastic or awful, I don't really see what the big deal about him is. In fact, I don't think anybody does, except the guys who froth a lot about how he's Jesus incarnate and never explain exactly why. Care to? Explain, that is, not froth, we've had plenty of that.

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For the record, Clinton was more interested in getting his socks blown, and then lying about it while his witch, Hillary, was communicating with former first ladies ghosts.  It is Clinton policies that led to 9/11 by weakening the CIA and leading OBL to think he could strike against the Free World and not reap the whirlwind


What is it with this loathing of Hillary you lot seem to have. Really, I've seen nothing she particularly deserves it for, aside from being a woman in politics. It's never been explained at all, either, aside from further ranting insults, so I'm inclined to believe that the women in politics bit is precisely it. And, y'know, technically al Qaeda's been around and running against the US way before Clinton was around... though not before much of the Bush cabinet. Who funded him, and Saddam, in fact. Funny how that works. I'd tack on that so far bin Laden has not "reaped the whirlwind" (cute), unless the aforementioned spurious charge against Bush is in fact true, and al Qaeda is by all accounts about as strong as ever, albeit minus some money.


Hotsnoj: Just... don't talk. Please. Just... no. Your posts are the death of reason, in the traditional sense of not the thing Kazan appeals to when he doesn't feel like explaining what he's on about. Never mind language- words mean something, you know, and the meaning doesn't change just to suit you, despite Bush's (or, for that matter, Clinton's) best efforts to that effect. We could be here all day explaining what makes moral absolutism "different", and in the end I can guarantee you wouldn't get it. Look it up for yourself if you really want to know, there's volumes of information on it, but like I said I think it's out of your depth.

Bob: Yeah, there was a pharmaceutical factory got cruise-missiled under Clinton, it was part of the main campaign against terrorism in his administration and they thought it was a bioweapons plant or training center or something, forget what. Anyway, it's rather odd that they'd cite that, as it's an example of antiterrorist activist policy under Clinton, and so far Bush has inflicted several hundred thousand times more "collateral damage". Much of it with similar "smart" missiles, no less.
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For one, Corsair, do not trust those online news sources. They rarely tell the truth, and just put things up to sell and get more hits. What if AOL put up that Saddam really didn't massacre thousands of his own people? Believe it now?

It's not that I trust them. It's just that if it hasn't happened yet, it most likely will. And while Iranian radio may not be the most trustworthy news source in terms of American activities, I wouldn't be surprised if this was the truth.
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It is Clinton policies that led to 9/11 by weakening the CIA
Regardless, CIA had the information it needed to prevent 9/11 and they blew it.
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But what is the fundementalism about? Is it true or Is it false? So hypoteticlly speaking, a liberal (which I assume you are) fundementalist is just as bad as a christian, muslim or whatever fundementalist?
IMHO it's not political fundamentalism that is bad. It's religious fundamentalism. It's when a group takes religious ideals and twists them to become militant and justifies their violence by pointing to religion. However, one religious fundamentalist group is just as bad as another.
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OH! I get it now! We're hateful because we think the President is a putz, yes, that makes perfect sense! Veritable KKK members, that's us! We also eat babies!
Yes, we do. :D
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Oh, and I forget, we would've largely recovered from this ****ed-up depression by now, instead of it getting worse and worse.
You can argue this point until you're blue in the face. The fact of the matter is that in the economic cycle, we were due for a recession, having just experienced a bull market. I'm not quite sure if Bush had much to do with the economy's downturn. He is, nevertheless, a convenient scapegoat.

The point of this all is, Bush will most likely get reelected, however unfortunate that occurance will be. He has the support of the right, and may face a divided enough Democratic party that he can sneak another victory.
If Osama IS produced in the eight weeks prior to the election, Bush will win. And Osama will be produced. Hell, they don't even need to capture him. They just need to make a video tape of "Osama" being led away by American "soldiers."
Not that I'm saying the President of the United States of America would ever resort to such low-down tactics as that. But you never know. It happened in the movies, and the Clinton pulled a stunt that was rather similar to what happened on the big screen. Funny how these things work out.
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Bush had nothing to do with the beginning of the depression. I never said he did.

And there's really zero chance of Bush faking an Osama capture to win the election. Were he to, he wouldn't be able to hold up the pretense for very long, and when the truth came out things would get incredibly ugly (though I'm sure there are some here who'd claim his actions were somehow justified). It'd just be stupid, and make the backlash when it comes that much stronger (right now it's not really promising to be a backlash so much as a mild slowdown). Next you'll be claiming the aliens are somehow involved.

And the lot of you are doing horrible things to the word "fundamentalism". Care for a dictionary?
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sorry bout that :(

and my 'TV must be true' statement was more general than specific to that responce, I didn't like "oh come on, it wa all over the TV" beeing used as a source

and for the record I am not a 'Liberal' I am a centrist, slightly left more twards libertarianism. I think socalism is just stupid and I agree with Bush's military actions. there is nothing wrong with being a libral or a conservitive, so long as you don't use ether as a replacement for thinking.

I thought the economy was improveing finaly, wasn't there like 7.2 growth last october or something,
someone produce a graph or something
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What you people on the Left seem to always forget, there is a Silent Majority in what you prats consider to be "Fly Over Country", the great, 3500 mile stretch between the East and Left Coasts.  That majority is, by and large, church going, hard working people who do not subscribe to the pap that people from your political slant spew.  

That is why G.W. Bush is going to be reelected, not because your candidates generally suck @$$.
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A bit self-righteous, aren't you, Liberator?
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I live in St.Louis,
Kazan lives in Iowa,

majority != corect

and Bush's emmenant reelection has everything to do with the democrats inaility to produce a viable option.
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I was referring to the "That majority is, by and large, church going, hard working people who do not subscribe to the pap that people from your political slant spew." comment. Conservatives do not have a monopoly on religion or working hard.

Anyway, you realize, Bobboau, that the politicians from all parts of the political spectrum are lying hypocrites, right?
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yes,

and I wasn't responding to you, you just got done posting before me
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If you really believe that, I've got some beachfront proptery in the Gobi I want to sell you.

@ Grey Wolf
I never said they did, it's just that a large part of that majority support Bush.
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Offline Bobboau

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realy believe what?
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yes,

and I wasn't responding to you, you just got done posting before me
Sorry about that Bobboau, thought you were contradicting my post.
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@ Grey Wolf
I never said they did, it's just that a large part of that majority support Bush.
Actually, not as much as you may think. The religious right and the Bible Belt, yes, but you have hard working religious people across the country, including Democratic strongholds such as New England.
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Liberator, you do realise that you are as much of, if not more, an extreemist as Stryke 9,
just on the opposite end of the political spectrum
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Funny how many assumptions people make about my political views.

Fine then, what extremist opinions do I hold, Bob? I'd really rather like to see what you're imagining. No, really. A finger for each time you start talking out of your ass.


Lib: I live in the Midwest. Iowa, in fact. You know what? A huge mass of this state is quite liberal, dude. I know quite a few "hardworking country folk", the very sorts you keep going on about, and they're even more on the left than I am in some cases. I guess you're playing on some ridiculous sterotype of effete urbanites sitting around extending our little fingers and talking about the needs of the people in weepy voices, judging fom your recent babblings, which is a pity, as I had come to the conclusion that you were actually somewhat intelligent before there.

I know ****loads of leftists, hardline right wingers (both religious and secular branch), rich, poor, urban, country boys, suburbanites, and members of basically any group you can mention- there's no correlation I've ever seen, except that the arch-conservatives I know are disproportionately (though far from entirely) uneducated, and typically ignorant about what they're talking about. More often than not, said ignorance is self-imposed- the facts don't mesh with what they already believed, so they ignore them or call them lies. They're afraid of reality, and so retreat into these spiteful, screaming dogmatic positions, trying to compensate for lack of any kind of reasonable stance by sheer volume and militancy. And that is the only trend I've seen as far as the left-right split goes. 'Cept that ultra-leftist bisexual girls are invariably awesome, and they dig me.

Also, this state was hit terribly by the series of ****ups Bush made with the economy, to the point where Cedar Rapids was practically a ghost town when I visited there last, and a lot of people are kidna unhappy about that. Go figure, y'know, you give 'em prison camps and then they go and whine about how they want their jobs back.
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I was mostly trying to pace that from his viewpoint, I was going to include Mik and Kazan and myself in there,
but I didn't.
but you'r not going to tell me you are a complete centrist in all issues, you are decidedly on the left
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