[vyper]

Opinions please ppl, and books you can recommend.

[Fractux]

For me, I'm just saying PHP because I'm learning PHP and MySQL for the projects I'm working on this summer.

I can't comment which is better, cause I'm not an expert, but I'm learning PHP because I need to use it in conjunction with MySQL.

Here's a page of links:

http://www.webdesigns1.com/php/

Also, if you want a quick and dirty look, the Learn PHP in 24 hours book is very easy to follow. There are of tutorials on the web too.

Cheers!

[vyper]

Interesting link fractux, ta much.

[an0n]

PHP. It's better, stronger, faster and can leap tall databases in a single bound.

And ASP only runs on Windows servers.

[kode]

Originally posted by an0n
And ASP only runs on Windows servers.

not entirely true.


and go with php. until something better comes along. if you like inflicting yourself mental illness, pike.

[an0n]

Simple fact is, PHP is more useful to know.

You can fix, modify and install popular programs such as forums, auctions, site controls etc.

ASP is used almost entirely for corporate crap. So the only code you'll see will be massive, tightly integrated, site pages that would take a team of programmers weeks to even dent.

[vyper]

I'm gettin the drift towards php here

[Fineus]

Basic! Learn Basic!

...what...?

[vyper]

Once you've done Java.... basic seems so complex

[aldo_14]

try COMAL

*hack spit*

[mikhael]

PHP. Why? Because once you've learned PHP, you've learned a subset of ASP.

Most people think ASP is a language. It is not: its a framework. You can use many languages within the ASP framework: VBScript, JavaScript, Perl, Python--even PHP. Learning ASP is learning how to leverage that framework with respect to the language you want to use.  

PHP is sort of amalgamation of both. Its the language and its supporting framework. It works almost exactly like ASP, but is more narrowly focused. This makes it easier to learn, overall and lets you carry that skill over to the less focussed ASP framework.

If you really want to know more about ASP stuff, let me know. Most of my jobs have involved using ASP and PHP in various environments.

[vyper]

Cool

[WMCoolmon]

PHP - it's faster on *nix servers and works well with SQL; it also runs on Windows.

I've heard Python is pretty good, though.

[mikhael]

Mmmm. Python. Python is the rockinest scripting language on the planet, in my opinion, but its just not the same thing as ASP/*script or PHP. *heh*

[Setekh]

Python definitely gets a big thumbs up from me. My brother swears by it, and anything he swears by is certified kick-arse.

But otherwise, PHP. Then you can write vB hacks for us.

[Lonestar]

PHP All the way, I know both and PHP beats ASP in every comparison whether its page load times, or DB Queries, its always faster in PHP.

Its also cheaper when renting servers, and less of a security threat.

Those who USE ASP and the Microsoft Solutions to Databases Online are generally people who watch too many commercials.

[an0n]

I could never really get into Python.

It all seemed......pretencious?

[mikhael]

Pretentious? I guess you could say that. A lot of python results from concious decisions to do things right that perl got wrong.

Originally posted by Lonestar
PHP All the way, I know both and PHP beats ASP in every comparison whether its page load times, or DB Queries, its always faster in PHP.

Its also cheaper when renting servers, and less of a security threat.

Those who USE ASP and the Microsoft Solutions to Databases Online are generally people who watch too many commercials.

Actually, I disagree with you here. A properly secured and well administered IIS server is pretty much exactly as secure as a properly secured and well administered *nix server. I know this from direct, personal experience, having administered large networks of both in webhosting environments professionally.

It always comes down to the quality of the administrator, not the quality of the OS or the scripting language.

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by mikhael
Pretentious? I guess you could say that. A lot of python results from concious decisions to do things right that perl got wrong.


Actually, I disagree with you here. A properly secured and well administered IIS server is pretty much exactly as secure as a properly secured and well administered *nix server. I know this from direct, personal experience, having administered large networks of both in webhosting environments professionally.

It always comes down to the quality of the administrator, not the quality of the OS or the scripting language.

Most viruses are built for MS machines, hence why *nix is more secure.

Also, you could have a monkey run a *nix machine without problems, yet you need a bachelors degree to run IIS and be MS certified to ensure complete safety.

As far as im concerned *nix kicks MS butt in security and features any day. I guess if your an MS pro tho, it can be as safe as *nix but why bother? *nix is faster, more reliable and can handle way more clients then MS.

Dont get me wrong, both platforms are good enough to do their thing, and they are both secure enough to not be screwed with, but its my experience Windows servers get hacked up and crash way more then *nix. Only problem with the *nix machines is support and that is something that there is more of nowadays.

Go with PHP and a *nix machine, otherwise you will just frustrate yourself.

[Kazan]

For all x, PHP > x

( i need te stinking upsidedown A for logical "For All" and the backwards E for logical "For Some"!!!!)