[Flipside]

Heh, the English are so many races it's unbelievable, French, German, Celtic, Norweigan and Italian to name but a few

We love it

[IceFire]

One thing that I don't understand:

Why is Osama Bin Laden going to exact revenge against the Americans for the killing of Sheikh Yassin the now assassinated leader of Hamas when the killing was done by Israelis?

Its becoming quite clear that this guy sees the world in a completely alternate way to anything that I've ever considered or heard of.

[Nico]

He considers the Israelians are being pushed by the USA.

[an0n]

The UN wanted to condemn Israel for doing it and hopefully force them not to try similar **** in the future, but the US veto'd the resolution.

[Slasher]

Originally posted by ionia23


I'm not even going to dignify name-calling with a reply.

The above is ironic to the extreme.  He deserves a dogbone.  

So does this thread mean the end of political debates on HLP?

[Rictor]

Err, not to mention that the missle which killed him and the helicopter which fired it were American made and payed for. This isn't just political cover, its also a very direct support of the military apparatus.

and also what anon said.

[Flipside]

You know, I feel like we are in one of those Sci-Fi series which seems to require some kind of doomsday for us to get the hint, we would be stuck in the titles, accompanied by a deep voice saying 'In the year 2023.....'

[Gank]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040415/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_musical_marine&cid=540&ncid=1473
I'm saddened.

[Flipside]

Quite right, war is bad enough, but Bagpipes?, someone roll out the Geneva convention


j/k

[Rictor]

Apparently, all the Marines think its soothing!? Thats not the first word that springs to mind, I must admit.

Iraqi beaten to death for refusing to take down pciture of Sadr

well what, would you rather I start a new thread? The topic has already been hijacked.

[an0n]

And let's not forget all the raping the American troops have been doing.....

[vyper]

[q]Thats not the first word that springs to mind, I must admit.
[/q]

Stirring is. You haven't heard a patriotic song until you've heard being played with a mass band with pipers, drummers, the lot....

[Grey Wolf]

Random question: What was the last reply that had something to do with the original topic?

[Gank]

9-10 posts up

[Grey Wolf]

How odd. It appears that an0n was the last person who was on topic.

[Liberator]

Originally posted by vyper
[q]Thats not the first word that springs to mind, I must admit.
[/q]

Stirring is. You haven't heard a patriotic song until you've heard being played with a mass band with pipers, drummers, the lot....

Sounds much better, don't know about the drums but ...

That guy dying is a tragedy and he should have cooperated until he was out of sight and he could've put it back up.  The soldiers should be tried according to the UCMJ and put away for a long time, they should have had more restraint.

[Bobboau]

if that incedent is true, that sounds like they should get courtmarsheled, you know the military tribunal type thing.

[IceFire]

Yup...thats a courtmarshal.  I know this stuff happens...its happened to every countries military at some point but there is a code of conduct that entire nations need to follow and seem to forget more often than not.

Unfortunately the first casualty of war is the truth so its hard to say what happened.  Maybe in 60 years.

[an0n]

Originally posted by IceFire
Unfortunately the first casualty of war is the truth so its hard to say what happened.  Maybe in 60 years.

You mean like with WW2 and how we're now free from all the anti-Nazi propaganda? How we're taught about all the social reforms the Nazi's made that improved the country? How we're told of the drop in crime after Hitler came to power?

It is now how it has always been: The losers are evil till the end of time and all the atrocities we committed were for a good cause.

[Rictor]

Granted, its rather hard to make a convincing case for Hitler as anything but a butcher. Its not everyone who manages to kill as many people as he did. I find it analogous if not equal to the issue of American domestic/foreign policy.

Hitler did wonders in regards to domestic policy. Well, at least for the non-Jewish, non-Gypsy section of the population. But in regards to foreign policy,...not quite so good. If you benefit a small number of people (your citizens) and harm everyone else (the world), the latter outweighs the former.

You could have picked a better example than the Nazis. Sure, the basic arguement is intact, but good luck trying to find much sympathy for the Nazis, and rightly so.