[Gank]

Originally posted by Liberator
Because the Jews are God's Chosen People,

What sort of twat believes in a religion where another religion is their own gods chosen people?

[Liberator]

Christianity

the Jews are God's Chosen, Christians get in because God felt sorry for us.

That's simplistic, but basically the way it is.

[ionia23]

Originally posted by Liberator
Dante is work of fiction though.

Wasn't really talking to you though Kaz.

Some say the same about the Bible, and thank you for clarifying my position.

[Gank]

Originally posted by Liberator
Christianity

the Jews are God's Chosen, Christians get in because God felt sorry for us.

That's simplistic, but basically the way it is.

Uh-huh, thats why Christians have persecuted jews in europe for over  a millenium

[ionia23]

Originally posted by Gank


Uh-huh, thats why Christians have persecuted jews in europe for over  a millenium

And then helped with the foundation of Israel, and then did (and continue to do) their best to protect it from, well, everyone.

[Gank]

Iirc britian signed off on palestine for help from the jewish lobby to drag the US into ww1. No religion involved. And the only nation helping Israel with defense is the US, which contains a small percentage of total christianity. Whatever fucked up little sect Lib is in might think the jewish are superior to them, but I seriously doubt the whole of christianity does.

[Turambar]

what i dont understand is why Muslims and Jews don't get along better.  The religions are so similar and historically the Jews and Muslims have been very friendly.  In fact, the very first people to be nice to Muslims were the fine Jewish people living in Medina.  It's all because a bunch of jews kicked a bunch of Muslims off their land that they dont get along.  Anyway, the Messiah is supposed to lead the Jews to Israel, so WTF?  Heresy.

[ionia23]

Originally posted by Turambar
what i dont understand is why Muslims and Jews don't get along better.  The religions are so similar and historically the Jews and Muslims have been very friendly.  In fact, the very first people to be nice to Muslims were the fine Jewish people living in Medina.  It's all because a bunch of jews kicked a bunch of Muslims off their land that they dont get along.  Anyway, the Messiah is supposed to lead the Jews to Israel, so WTF?  Heresy.

It's called the "zero sum" theory.  "You have because I do not".  Petty jealousy.

[Kazan]

im very shocked about liberators views on jews - very interesting sect he is member of

as for "dante is just fiction" pretty much every christians view of hell is dante's view - it's basically been turned into the official image of hell by every christian in existance - it's a nice example of legendization and exaggeration processes that occur on stories as they're assimilated into religion

[ionia23]

Originally posted by Kazan
im very shocked about liberators views on jews - very interesting sect he is member of

as for "dante is just fiction" pretty much every christians view of hell is dante's view - it's basically been turned into the official image of hell by every christian in existance - it's a nice example of legendization and exaggeration processes that occur on stories as they're assimilated into religion

Or a variant therof.  According to Yonder Book, Hell cannot be envisioned by the living, same with Heaven.  Whatever we can imagine, the reality is far worse.  Dante was kicking out one idea.

I rather think of it as the surface of Venus.  Eternal clouds, sulfuric acid rain, high pressure, 900 degree days that never end, etc.

[Turambar]

then theres the Isaac Asimov story (the one where the world ends in 1956) where hell is just life with no desire, no motivation, and featurless boredom for all eternity.  Living forever with nothing to do.

[ionia23]

Originally posted by Turambar
then theres the Isaac Asimov story (the one where the world ends in 1956) where hell is just life with no desire, no motivation, and featurless boredom for all eternity.  Living forever with nothing to do.

Totally believable.

[Kazan]

and more scripturally founded IIRC

[Gank]

Originally posted by Turambar
Anyway, the Messiah is supposed to lead the Jews to Israel, so WTF?  Heresy.

Interestingly quite a large proportion of the Israeli population is descended from central asia, the home of Gog and Magog.

[Grey Wolf]

Anyone else find it funny that Satan is always shown ruling Hell, but he is never once mentioned in the Bible as actually being in Hell, or being the devil?

[Kazan]

grey wolf knows

[IceFire]

Not entirely surprising...I have always thought that US fundamentalists were just as threatening as the Islamic fundamentalists.  At least it goes along with the notion of equality.

Really worrying...

[Kazan]

IceFire: read the book i've been citing from and prepare to be scared senseless

(Atleast i KNEW everything the book says, i just couldn't put it so concisely and will such thorough citations)

[Grey Wolf]

Well, if you get down to it, the original English colonists were treasure hunters (Virginia) and intolerant religious zealots (Massachusetts). What can you really expect when you combine those heritages?

[Gank]

Except the Islamic fundamentalists live in caves and the christian fundamentalists spend more on the military than the rest of the world combined.