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Thats an ostrich methinks


that too... that's what i get for trying to be witty just before a final exam
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ionia23 you're still ignoring the issue because they haven't affected you YET, well they have you jsut don't acknowledge the affect

you're just ignoring the truth.
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ionia23 you're still ignoring the issue because they haven't affected you YET, well they have you jsut don't acknowledge the affect

you're just ignoring the truth.


This truth you speak of, is that the part about America going to s***?  And this is based on..what, unemployment?  high gas prices?  questionable foreign policy?  

Seriously, how do these affect me unless I choose to, say, visit certain nations?  Pay more at the pump? (this irritates me, but the free lunch had to end sooner or later).

Let's say, for argument's sake you are right.  What exactly are you going to do about it?

Run for office?

Organize a revolution?

Complain on a messageboard no government official has any interest in?* (Unless you want to get all 'X-Files' about it..)

:lol:

Side note: I'm not calling you names, would the same in return be too much to ask for?  No disrespect intended, I simply disagree with you.
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'Let them Eat Cake'?

The problem is Ionia that the ride was only ever free for a relatively small percentage of people, it might suit you, but then, as you say, you are in no mood to do anything about it. You, and many of us here, sitting typing on our computers, are part of that small percentage.

 

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Ah yes, apocalyptic postmillennialism: proof that you can take something as simple as 'be good' and turn it into 'kill people because God wants you to'.

The human race is doomed. :)
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This truth you speak of, is that the part about America going to s***?


JEeze you're blind


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And this is based on..what, unemployment?  high gas prices?  questionable foreign policy?  


All of the above (well,, not gas prices)

Unemployement -> All time Highs
Foreign Policy -> What Allies (only the british govt.. everyone else in the 'coalition of the willing' was coerced with threats of losing their foreign aid from us)
Constitution Getting shiat on constantly by the current administration
Bad Domestic and Global Environmental, Economic and Social Policy
All out assault on the education system


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Seriously, how do these affect me unless I choose to, say, visit certain nations?  


So person A forcing their religion on you doesn't bother you

Harm to the environment doesn't affect you

The rise in the crime rate due to higher poverty (direct affect of bad economy, indirect affect of the assault on the education system, indirect affect of increased fundamentalism)

The rise in the crime rate due to higher levels of mental immaturity/illness/instability (direct affect of rise in fundamentalism, assault on education system)

Loss of Personal Freedoms (USA PATRIOT, other - PS PATRIOT act is a functional duplicate of Article 48 of the Weimar Constitution)

Imposition of fundamentalist christianity upon you via legislation

Increase crime rate due to racism/sexism/homophibia (direct affect of rise in fundamentalism)

Increase in domestic abuse, decrease in female self-confident (fundamentalism)

Need I keep going on, the fact that you cannot see these things means you're not paying attention





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What exactly are you going to do about it?


Eliminate the CAUSE of all those problems - first we need to chop the fundamentalist movement's head off - ie vote **** and is neoconservative war council out of office


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Organize a revolution?


If it ever comes to that

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Complain on a messageboard no government official has any interest in?* (Unless you want to get all 'X-Files' about it..)


Raising awareness in people around you is what you do on a message board - the last thing the fundamentalist movement wants is people knowing what they're up to blatantly

they want people brainwashed, not analyzing their motives and affects



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Side note: I'm not calling you names, would the same in return be too much to ask for?  No disrespect intended, I simply disagree with you.


People who subscribe to "Was Ich nicht weiß, macht mich nicht heiß" are extremely irritating, and are exactly what allowed hitler to get into the position he was in when he seized power and started the camps
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The human race is doomed. :)


i give us 20 - 30 years before the planet goes to ****. Post apocolyptic world here we come.
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'Let them Eat Cake'?

The problem is Ionia that the ride was only ever free for a relatively small percentage of people, it might suit you, but then, as you say, you are in no mood to do anything about it. You, and many of us here, sitting typing on our computers, are part of that small percentage.


I vote, that's my means of protest.  The powers that be could care less about me.  You're talking about a very tiny group of persons expected to make decisions for many millions of people.  Of course they have to deal in abstracts, there's no other way.

It's not really a question of "mood", though I catch your reference to Marie Antoinette's rather uneducated quote.  It's practicality.  What can any of us really do, other than complain a lot and vote?  More to the point, what should  we do?
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the 'powers that be' are catering to the Christian version of the Taliban, not the general population - we shouldn't be tolerating it at all - we should be daily yelling at them, censuring them, etc

not being indifferent because of ignoring it - because by ignoring it you think the problem will go away

no ignoring the fact that they cater to the Christian Taliban ENABLES them to continue doing so
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Dunno whats more worrying, the fact the secret service investigated it or somebody reported him for the drawings.

 
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More to the point, what should  we do?



mass rioting, overthrowing the goverment, instigating a revolution/rebellion into a new system of rule, complete anarchy (we're heading in that direction anyway) spring to mind
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my point exactly - ionia23 had his/her head in the sand
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Unemployement -> All time Highs
Foreign Policy -> What Allies (only the british govt.. everyone else in the 'coalition of the willing' was coerced with threats of losing their foreign aid from us)



Hmm, threats of the removal of foreign aid.  I doubt very much Spain needed any aid from us, and they left.  Of course, all they really did was send the terrorists a message that they won.  There's already another thread on this, so I'll leave it be.

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Constitution Getting shiat on constantly by the current administration
Bad Domestic and Global Environmental, Economic and Social Policy
All out assault on the education system


Education has been a thorn in the side of every administration for decades.  I didn't expect **** to do much about that.  No one does, to my eternal chagrin.

As far as I see, the Constitution hasn't been rewritten yet.  Blatantly ignored in some cases (Guantanamo bay, perhaps).

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So person A forcing their religion on you doesn't bother you


Who's forcing their religion on me?  I don't see myself being punished for not going to any particular church.

Please, please, please tell me this isn't about that "under God" nonsense....

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Harm to the environment doesn't affect you


This one's a toughie as I found myself "punished" for critiquing Brazil about their policy of razing the rainforest as quickly as possible.  There are few cultures on this planet that can claim to be totally "environment friendly".  And I mean few .  This administration could do a much better job of lessening environmental impacts on a national scale.

The problem isn't going to be the developed nations over the next 20 years, it will be all the 3rd world nations entering their respective Industrial ages virtually simultaneously.  We could also share pollution controlling technology with those nations.

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The rise in the crime rate due to higher poverty (direct affect of bad economy, indirect affect of the assault on the education system, indirect affect of increased fundamentalism)


Conversely, the rise in white-collar crimes as well.  Crime is a result of survival or greed, something that spreads equally across all income brackets.

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The rise in the crime rate due to higher levels of mental immaturity/illness/instability (direct affect of rise in fundamentalism, assault on education system)


This is ludicrous.

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Loss of Personal Freedoms (USA PATRIOT, other - PS PATRIOT act is a functional duplicate of Article 48 of the Weimar Constitution)


Yes, I've lost the freedom to carry firearms and nail clippers on airplanes.

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Imposition of fundamentalist christianity upon you via legislation


What is the difference between fundamentalist christianity and christianity?  I recall no law being passed that says I have to follow any religion I don't want to.  Nobody arrests me for not going to church, or covering my head in the presence, or praying a certain number of times per day, or wearing my beard a certain length.

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Increase crime rate due to racism/sexism/homophibia (direct affect of rise in fundamentalism)


Three things which have existed since time out of mind.  See, not everyone is going to be thrilled about successful women, blacks getting the right to vote, and homosexual couples holding hands in public.  Some people are going to put up a fight about it because they don't know any better.  Each generation is going to become progressively more accepting of racial mixing, sexual equality, and sexual diversity, but it will not happen overnight.  You're seeing an increase in crimes related to this because the victims of such crimes are much more in the public eye.

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Increase in domestic abuse, decrease in female self-confident (fundamentalism)


To quote my mother: "The only thing a man can do that I can do is piss up a rope".  Now, you go ahead and tell me women are losing their confidence.

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Need I keep going on, the fact that you cannot see these things means you're not paying attention


I do see the subjects behind your points, but I also disagree with them.  Different perspective, perhaps.

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Eliminate the CAUSE of all those problems - first we need to chop the fundamentalist movement's head off - ie vote **** and is neoconservative war council out of office


Exactly what I said as well.  That's power.  Walking around angry about things out of my immediate control is..counterproductive.

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Raising awareness in people around you is what you do on a message board - the last thing the fundamentalist movement wants is people knowing what they're up to blatantly they want people brainwashed, not analyzing their motives and affects


Unfortunately for the fundamentalists you speak of, there's a thing called the First Amendment which they are utterly powerless to overturn.  As long as that exists, they will fail.

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People who subscribe to "Was Ich nicht weiß, macht mich nicht heiß" are extremely irritating, and are exactly what allowed hitler to get into the position he was in when he seized power and started the camps


I am so not going to dignify that with a reply.
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mass rioting, overthrowing the goverment, instigating a revolution/rebellion into a new system of rule, complete anarchy (we're heading in that direction anyway) spring to mind


Or perhaps a "coalition of the willing" could come in and replace our entire infrastructure for us?

You post an interesting solution, complete anarchy.  Can you really envision what it would be like to live in a world like that?
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its pretty hard to imagine really, the modern society hasnt seen it happen before on such a scale.
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Jesus Ionia you really dont know ****. You think the patriot act is there to stop you carrying stuff on planes?

 

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its pretty hard to imagine really, the modern society hasnt seen it happen before on such a scale.


I can do it thinking of a group of like 20 people.  But 260 million?  I dunno....
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ionia23 is being a camel - head in the sand


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Thats an ostrich methinks


Since neither animal actually sticks its head in the sand one is as good as the the other :D
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Since neither animal actually sticks its head in the sand one is as good as the the other :D


I don't know whether or not that was meant to be supportive, thank you nonetheless.:yes: :D :yes2:
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ionia: Basically, the ignore the fact that a sizeable chunk of the world's population is suffering so that you can have Nikes, air-conditioning and a 19-inch flatscreen. Its not that they are suffering parallel to your own "easy life", though that would be bad in itself. One is a direct cause of the other.

Tell me how this is any different than the principle of slavery, colonialism, and all the other bull**** that America has allegedly left behind?