[Shrike]

Originally posted by Singh
The Bismarck.

The biggest bad-ass destroyer ever created before the class was made useless by long range carriers and aircraft....

The Bismarck is overrated.  It's a good World War I ship - but in terms of design was two decades behind allied ships.

[neo_hermes]

Originally posted by mikhael

There is also some indications that the US deployed coastal monitors at one point with 21" guns, but I'm having trouble finding concrete info on that one.
 

 are you talkin about the land based guns that where placed along the coast during WWII? or a little artifical island with a cannon on it during the same appointed time?


Edit: was looking through Google and found this site that listed the armament of the Bases on each coast...they had a large amount of AAA guns and a few 2-16" cannons connected to railroad cars and such.... (lists from the years 1895-1945)

[Shinobi]

Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Behold, the ultimate weapon. Germany wouldn't dare attack us when we've got this... um... oh

And in one fell swoop, the British navy rendered all of its other ships completely defunct, ultimately allowing Germany into the naval race

[Splinter]

Originally posted by Corsair


You can't see me!!!
688 Class Submarine

ooooh no ya dont you guys want a submarine thread start one.

and I dont care what it has (as alll these have been for the coolest looking contest) those submarines are the butt ugliest cause they have the tower things further in front then centered or even further back. best looking is like the russian akula class... centered tower slants backwards onto the main "deck"
compare this:

and this:


ohio class so disgusting.

buuuut getting back on track




yaaar shiver me timbers the USS enterprise... sandwich ahs been on it when it was docked here. I was to young so I was only allowed onto a smalish frigate


caption reads: The Lockheed stealth ship Sea Shadow, alongside the USS Carl Vinson. another stealth ship? what the....? im confused.

[Petrarch of the VBB]

Onoz its Elliot Carver's ship!!!!1111oneone

[Turnsky]

Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
Onoz its Elliot Carver's ship!!!!1111oneone

actually, carver's ship has a design consistant with all Incat-built vessels (produced right here in tasmania i might add )



(this angelfire site was the best i could manage)
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/nightfirerefpics/images/StealthShip.JPG

[Carl]

PH33R!

[Nico]

Originally posted by Shrike
The Bismarck is overrated.  It's a good World War I ship - but in terms of design was two decades behind allied ships.

yeah right. Ask the brits about it, ask them about the Hood, the pride of their fleet, and how outdated the Bismarck was

[karajorma]

Originally posted by Nico


yeah right. Ask the brits about it, ask them about the Hood, the pride of their fleet, and how outdated the Bismarck was

The Hood was sunk by a lucky hit.  Had the Bismark not hit the Hoods ammunition store the result of that battle might have been completely different.

[Fineus]

But do the Germans have these? Don't think so

[Turnsky]

Originally posted by Kalfireth

But do the Germans have these? Don't think so

this german-built vessel was later renamed "spirit of tasmania"

[Nico]

Originally posted by karajorma


The Hood was sunk by a lucky hit.  Had the Bismark not hit the Hoods ammunition store the result of that battle might have been completely different.

Sure, lucky shot, there was 3 or 4 ships against the lone Bismarck, coming out of a river. Then the thing sustained like 15000 shells on its final battle, w/o a single inch intact, and finally the german sunk the thing themselves coz it would never end otherwise, and you tell me that w/o that "lucky shot", the Hood could have won?
Lucky shot, maybe, but you make your own luck, so your lucky shot is called superior marksmanship
Besides that's the brits own fault for leaving the most critical part of a battleship unarmoured.

[Fineus]

I do have to wonder how the Bismark hit the Hoods ammunition stores... one would've thought they'd think

"where shall we put the stuff we know is going to blow up if hit?"

"Well, nowhere near where it could get hit - that's for sure!"

[IceFire]

Most historians paint the picture as the Hood having been sunk by a lucky shot.  Battleships in WWII don't target each other...they are much more artistic.  They "paint" an area with fire...shelling entire sections of ocean to try and score hits.

Such painted barrage managed to fly straight down ontop of the Hood and hit the ammo store.  If a similar shot had done the same thing to the Bismarck it would be the Hood that won the day.

As it was, the final battle with the Bismarck saw the King George V and several other British ships close to a rediculously short range which actually hindered their sinking power.  The shots would skip off the water and land in the super structure.  The Bismarck was done for (it was a living hell apparently)...but it probably never would have sunk had it not been scuttled by the remaining crew.  At least not at that range...

[karajorma]

Originally posted by Nico
Sure, lucky shot, there was 3 or 4 ships against the lone Bismarck, coming out of a river. Then the thing sustained like 15000 shells on its final battle, w/o a single inch intact, and finally the german sunk the thing themselves coz it would never end otherwise, and you tell me that w/o that "lucky shot", the Hood could have won?
Lucky shot, maybe, but you make your own luck, so your lucky shot is called superior marksmanship
Besides that's the brits own fault for leaving the most critical part of a battleship unarmoured.

My point was that since the Hood was relatively unarmoured, old and sunk because a shot hit the magazine store it's not a good example of how modern the Bismark was. You can't claim that Musketeers are modern soldiers cause they can defeat cavemen

Had the Hood not sustained that hit I doubt it would have won but there's no reason it couldn't have got in a lucky hit of it's own.

[mikhael]

Originally posted by neo_hermes


 are you talkin about the land based guns that where placed along the coast during WWII? or a little artifical island with a cannon on it during the same appointed time?

Coastal Monitor == Coastal/River Patrol Boat
These were neither man made islands with armament, nor were they land based guns. The technical naval designation for the  the group of ships that includes Vietnam era Patrol Boat-Riverine and PT boats is "monitor". Its the class just below corvette (I THINK, I'm not certain that there isn't another class between them).

Originally posted by Kalfireth
I do have to wonder how the Bismark hit the Hoods ammunition stores... one would've thought they'd think

"where shall we put the stuff we know is going to blow up if hit?"

"Well, nowhere near where it could get hit - that's for sure!"

Magazines suffer from a single critical fact of battle. They MUST be near the weapons they serve. On a warship, there's no place that's 'nowhere near where it could get hit' that also satisfies 'near the weapons they serve'.

[Petrarch of the VBB]

What Mik said.
A monitor is a ship with a shallow enough draft to get into coastal waters, estuarys, rivers and whatnot, but usually with pretty large guns.

[Fineus]

Yeah, I suppose you're right Mik. But as a designer I would attempt to make anything explosive that much more armored to avoid that very event... ah well.

[Nico]

Originally posted by IceFire
If a similar shot had done the same thing to the Bismarck it would be the Hood that won the day.

Nope: the ammunitions were stored in the turrets, and those things were practically intact when the Bismark sunk, the resistance of those is crazy. You should watch cameron's documentary about the Bismark, it was really pretty interesting

[c914]

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