[Beowulf]

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Why is this so contorversial?!

I'm sure Mecca would warn against Muslims marrying Catholics...

Ohh wait, there is this little thing called the Koran that clearly states that good muslims must kill the unbelievers. Well actually the infidels while enslaving Jews and Christians.

But we wont go into that.

Did I mention that the muslim goal is to literally control the world through their facsist faith? Don't believe me? What, have you been living under a table?

[Bobboau]

so is the christian goal.

[jdjtcagle]

What??

[jdjtcagle]

If you can prove that I'll change my believes

[Bobboau]

what do you think the whole 'Jesus returning to earth and everyone liveing in his kingdom for all eternity' is all about?

[jdjtcagle]

ahh... I misunderstood the whole question, nevermind what I said
When Jesus comes we are not staying.

[Beowulf]

Originally posted by Bobboau
so is the christian goal.

Yeah I know. All those passages in the Bible saying that Christ demands a great slaughter and that as you may not want to do it, Christ knows best.

[Grey Wolf]

Originally posted by Beowulf
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Why is this so contorversial?!

I'm sure Mecca would warn against Muslims marrying Catholics...

Ohh wait, there is this little thing called the Koran that clearly states that good muslims must kill the unbelievers. Well actually the infidels while enslaving Jews and Christians.

But we wont go into that.

Did I mention that the muslim goal is to literally control the world through their facsist faith? Don't believe me? What, have you been living under a table?

Beowulf, stop spewing Christina fundie propaganda. Or are you just being ignorant?

Read this, then use a real argument.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by Beowulf
Ohh wait, there is this little thing called the Koran that clearly states that good muslims must kill the unbelievers. Well actually the infidels while enslaving Jews and Christians.

No there isn't. Find me the relevent passage or shut the f**k up about it.  I'm so sick of hearing idiots repeat this particular lie.

Originally posted by Beowulf
Did I mention that the muslim goal is to literally control the world through their facsist faith?

And the goal of Christians isn't the same? If the goal of christianity isn't to have everyone as a christian then explain to me what the crusades were about?

[Setekh]

Be careful with your blanket statements, everyone. On Muslims and Christians.

[karajorma]

Well to clarify my earlier statement while it might not be a goal of individual christians but it is definately a goal of the church leaders.

This latest vatican pronouncement is proof of that.

I never was saying that every christian wants to evangelise

[Jiggyhound]

shame we cant just do away with religion and be rid of the mess

[Flaser]

I have to Kara and Wolf on both instances.

Religions aren't a mere political movement. Christianity never ever reached the aims it set ford - ever knew a man who lived by the Ten Commandments? ...or someone who loved as Jesus proposed?

As for Islam, the original teachings of Mohamed and his ideals were very democratic in the area and in his whole age - the problem also lies in the fact that the whole movement became hopelessly interviened with the tribal traditions and senioratic system of the locals.

:EDIT - Arg!! Must have been brainded...10 commandments...:

[Rictor]

Getting a large portion of a nation to believe this crap about Islam...that has to be one of the best pieces of propaganda in recent years, right up there with the Red Scare. Its utter bull****, but Bob down the street still thinks the lunatic Muslims are out to get him at ever turn, cause hey, their faith demands they wage johad the kill the infidels.

Ask someone if they know a single thing about Islam. First thing that pops in to their head? Jihad. Its first and only word most people learn, and form their conclusion based on that.....

[01010]

Not to mention that the word "Jihad" actually means something along the lines of "Personal struggle".

[Janos]

Originally posted by 01010
Not to mention that the word "Jihad" actually means something along the lines of "Personal struggle".

Ssshhh, you're ruining my incoming movie "Jihadeer: Hard to resist the Jewish Oppressors of Helsinki"! (I really am going to do it.)

[jdjtcagle]

Originally posted by Jiggyhound
shame we cant just do away with religion and be rid of the mess

Religion can be the best thing they ever did.
But, like my quote says : Men will wrangle for religion; write for it; fight for it; die for it; anything but live for it.  -Charles Caleb Colton

[vyper]

Here's a blanket statement for everyone: Religion sucks, humans are better off without Gods to kill for, and the Enterprise NX-01 looks too advanced. Discuss.

[Ace]

Yeah, it does look a bit too advanced.

Of course if you ignore that, the question is why by Kirk's time women are wearing kinky skirts again as well as the whole uber-utilitarian simple look. I'm betting fundamentalist Vulcans took over the Federation...

[an0n]

Kirk's ships looked less advanced because they realised having all those panels and ruts in the hull caused the ship to explode when hit by weapons fire. The smooth armour on later models makes them kick more ass.

And as for the uniforms.....well, Starfleet was recruiting people like Kirk to make first contact with alien races and forge delicate diplomatic ties with people who could mistake a hand gesture for a declaration of war, what kind of people do you think they had designing the uniforms.