[Kazan]

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c108:H.R.3920:/

everyone write emails to all your House Reps for your state condemning this attack on the constitution.

If one of those sponsors (They're all Republicans) is your rep - DO NOT RELEECT THE BASTARD

[Rictor]

I think you meant Don't re-elect the bastard...

[Kazan]

yes i do

[Rictor]

There are three branches of government for a reason people! It is meant to be a system of checks and balances, but that doesn't work if one branch can override the decisions of the other.

well, at least they didn't go all out and give this power to the Prez.

[neo_hermes]

OMFG....**** needs to go.

[Kazan]

The NEOCONSERVATIVES need to go

now days thats most of the republican party

[neo_hermes]

why oh why are they screwin with something thats worked for so many years....

Edit: they are being stupid really stupid!

[Kazan]

because it keeps them from imposing their unilateralist hyperconservative theocracy-wanting views on the country

[Rictor]

because the way it has worked is not the way they want it to work. Same thing with not declaring war, which takes Congress out of the loop. Or really any of Ashcroft's little escapades to give supreme authority to himself and Dubya.

there has been a huge push in the past year or two, to give dictatorial-like powers to the President and a small group of loyal followers within the government. The fact that **** can, at will, declare someone an "enemy combatant" and thereby strip them of any legal rights is just one of the million little factors that go into ensuring that power is hoarded by a select few.

Originally posted by neo_hermes
Edit: they are being stupid really stupid!

no, they are being very, very smart. This isn't stupidity, it is malicousness.

[Flipside]

My God, they REALLY are terrified of Gay Marraiges aren't they?

If that got through, then you are no longer a Democracy, it's as simple as that, you are an Authoritarion state, your laws and your rights will both be defined by the same group, with no-one to represent the public interest

[kasperl]

Well, how odd.

The country that constantly claims it is a "free" nation now tries to eleminate the trias politica. (Seperation of Lawmaking, Judging and Enforcing.) And this is the country our own PM would be so happy to follow. How odd indeed.

Anyhow, does anybody know if this has any more support then just one idiot Senator and his clique?

[Hippo]

Thchnically, this itself is unconstitutional...

How to contact your Representatives: (From Stupid White Men, by Michael Moore)

• Call 1-202-224-3121 --- The US capitol switchboard,  just tell them your zip code and they'll transfer you to your representative.
• Write to:

Office of Senator [Name], United States Senate, Washington, DC 20510; or to:
Office of Representative [Name], United States House of Representatives, Washington DC, 20510

• Email: For senators, go to www.senate.gov/contacting/index_by_state.cfm ; for Representatives, go to www.house.gov/writerep/
  
• Send a tellegram: Call Western Usion--- 1-800-325-6000 --- or visit their website www.westernunion.com
  

Come on people... I've already called the one from my state, you do the same...

[kasperl]

Well, if I lived in the States I sure would.

[Turnsky]

Originally posted by kasperl
Well, if I lived in the States I sure would.

seconded.

this is what a referendum is for, and let the people vote on the changes to the funamental workings of a country.

[kasperl]

After further consideration, it might be a good idea to remember that lawmaking by pure jurisprudention puts the power in the hands of the judges, and not only the judging power, but also the lawmaking power. The judges are nominated by the president, right? Now what tells you about the power of the president, if he controlls the judging, and the lawmaking power, while being the executing power himself?

[an0n]

It's actually a very good idea. They're trying to make sure they can fu[color=12312][/color]ck with Ashcroft before he and Bu[color=12312][/color]sh decide to make them obsolete and 'dispose' of them.

If they push it through, they'll have the power to over-rule the Supreme Court when it says "Sure, killing suspected terrorists is constitutional".

But like everything, the devil's in the details. The door swings both ways, but then so does everything in American constitutional law.

And at a cursory glance, the peeps who submitted it seem on the more sane end of Baptist former oil-barons.

[Rictor]

Well, as far as I know, Ashcroft!=Supreme Court. The Supreme Court is right-ward leaning (Scalia etc), but they are the pinnacle of dissent compared to Johnny boy's Ministry of Truth.

[an0n]

Yeah, I'm lumping the entire Judicial system into one corrupt lump.

[Unknown Target]

So any news on when this is going to get voted on?

[Grey Wolf]

Couldn't the Supreme Court rule this law unconstitutional?