[karajorma]

Rictor. It's a consipiracy theory cause it's a theory about the conspiracy to hide the truth about what really happened from the public. Just cause it's a conspiracy theory doesn't make it untrue.

If you could "plausibly explain away all of the above stated inconsistancies" as you say it wouldn't be a conspiracy theory anymore. It would be a hoax.

That's why I keep mentioning Kennedy. I doubt there is anyone with two braincells to rub together who actually believes the party line on that one. Doesn't mean that a grassy knoll explaination isn't a conspiracy theory.

As for the media. Are you trying to claim that every single media outlet in the world is controlled by pro-americans? I doubt it. It's just laziness that is stopping a proper investigation happening in other counties. Laziness and the fact that they doubt the public would care that much.

[Martinus]

[color=66ff00]Not 100% on topic but close enough to post in a thread of this subject.

http://www.little-gamers.com/index.php?strip_id=852

Read the rants too.
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[diamondgeezer]

I read these threads and the articles posted, and all I can think of is the newspapers and whatnot you pick up and read in Deus Ex

[Rictor]

well, the word conspiracy theory has very negative conotations for me, and pretty much everyone else. I get what you're saying, and by your defintion (probably the correct one) it is. But the second you say those two magic words, no one will ever believe that it can possibly be true.

The media is, I think, more than just lazy. There is in many cases a conscious effort of suppress the truth. There are 6 media corporations in the US that dominate the martket. And all of those are pro-government, some even being owned by Republicans (eg Murdoch). I'm not saying that there is NO other source of information, especially outside the States, but I am saying that Western media is, some more than other, skewed towards toting the party line. I am also saying that just because a TV station is in Germany, does not guarantee that its owned by a German.

Already one or two major websites have picked up the story, and I hope we'll be seeing more of that in the future.

[Rictor]

Originally posted by diamondgeezer
I read these threads and the articles posted, and all I can think of is the newspapers and whatnot you pick up and read in Deus Ex

oh you mean how the Rothschilds control the world economy? or how every US President in  the past X years (X being a high number) has been a member of the Skull and Bones and/or the Trilateral Commision? or how John Ashcroft is building the Total Information Awareness program, the succesor or Echelon?

yeah man, the truth is stranger than fiction.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by Rictor
well, the word conspiracy theory has very negative conotations for me, and pretty much everyone else. I get what you're saying, and by your defintion (probably the correct one) it is. But the second you say those two magic words, no one will ever believe that it can possibly be true.

That's my basic point Rictor. People look at it and think "This must be a conspiracy theory" and then don't think about it at all again.

Originally posted by Rictor
The media is, I think, more than just lazy. There is in many cases a conscious effort of suppress the truth. There are 6 media corporations in the US that dominate the martket. And all of those are pro-government, some even being owned by Republicans (eg Murdoch).

Of course there are corporations that want to hide the truth but I don't think it's all down to that. Laziness and a lack of interest is the other half of the equasion. Let me put it this way. How much would the average French man care that the Americans lied about Bergs death? Maybe a bit but most of them already know that American politicians are liars so I doubt they'd be the interest to make it worth it.

It's the countries with troops inside Iraq that have a lot of interest in this story. Which does make me wonder why the BBC haven't jumped all over it. Probably scared to after the whitewash that was the Hutton Report.

 

Originally posted by Rictor
I'm not saying that there is NO other source of information, especially outside the States, but I am saying that Western media is, some more than other, skewed towards toting the party line. I am also saying that just because a TV station is in Germany, does not guarantee that its owned by a German.

I got you the first time you said it. But there are stations and newspapers who don't have anything to do with this all over the world. You do have to wonder why Al-Jeezera aren't looking into it too.

[Gank]

The link I posted when I started this thread was from al-jazeera kara.

[karajorma]

Fair enough. I was wondering

[Rictor]

also, and Aussie website had the story a day or two ago, I'm trying to find it...

here it is:

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/05/28/1085641717320.html

I can't confirm if the paper version had the story as well, for obvious reasons.