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Well, having just watched it, I can say with some degree of certainty that it was NOT a Reman. The only way it coulda been is if they're going for some "they changed over the years" effect or they've raped the make-up budget doing all the Reps and Andorians.
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Ears (very important) are different, eyes are a different colour and the eye-area is less bulgy.
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Oooh, with the slight changes in the nose he could be a Klingon-Reman halfbreed.

And they're both big bastards, so it'd make sense from a "Could they fall in love?" aspect.
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It's a shape shifter that sucks :D
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I dunno about the Romulans... I mean, according to Admiral Dowerty in ST:Insurrection they're just a bunch of thugs that got turned into an empire because of warp drive. So I guess it could be them, but I mean, they'd have to have help from the future.. it seems like everyone has help from the future. Archer has Daniels, the Suliban have the dark figure, Xindi have the "Guardians"/Sphere builders... now the Romulans have this? It kinda seems like it's become an artist's mud of sci-fi storyline.  :blah:
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The Romulans might just be helping their past-selves.

But the reason Daniels and Shadow-Guy and the Guardians have other people do their bidding is because they're playing a very intricate game and because they piss in their panties at the thought of getting caught 'behind enemy lines' without any support (like if they destroyed the timeline).

The Romulans and Remans are, as previously stated, thugs. But the Romulans are still pussies. The Remans, however, would happily send a whole Scimitar back and level an entire system if they thought it might help them.
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Except aren't they still under some sort of control from the Romulans? Or did Shinzon completely end that? You'd think the Federation would want to put some sort of restriction on Remus and it's weapon productivity, considering one nearly destroyed Earth.

A good point that this is not Trek, but in all fairness, it's technically not supposed to be. It's pre-Trek. Although I can make no defense for the alien Commi-Nazi, I would like to point out how great it was that Archer placed a demolition charge on the Reptilian commander's back and simply pressed the button without a whole "you don't have to do this" speech, or something along those lines. That was not Trek/Federation, and I loved it. ;) However, again... the Naziliens....  :doubt:
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The Remans weren't bad, it was only Shinzon who wanted to wipe out Earth.

And I doubt the Federation could do much about limiting their weapons.

The Romulans left them on a ****ty planet, in the dark with little food, brutal guards and basically nothing, yet they managed to build the most powerful vessel in existence this side of Borg space.
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This is true...

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I just read all this stuff and it's left me with more questions than answers...

Wouldn't it be a total twist if that nazi alien guy is expecting Archer?  Like, in the future they know archer shows up sometime in nazi germany circa 194X so send a person there to wait for him.  And it would be even whackier if he was good.
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I hope to God they don't do make it so the Nazi's are striving for the 'perfection' of the Remans. That would suck more ass than Virtu at a frat party.

And they should definitely make Archer the only one who can see that the guy is Reman.
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Oh and until we find out what that guy is, I'll be refering to him as Reman.
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I think Daniels stepped in to save Archer and preserve the timeline except that maybe things didn't work out so well.

And I really believe it is 1944 (or 45).  Those are D model P-51's so it has to be middle of 1944 or later (unless they messed up which I hope they didn't) and I dout that a war like WWII with innumerable technological advances would continue for 200 years without changing a single thing past 1945 so thats totally rediculous I think.

Something very odd has happened...somehow the time has changed for the Enterprise, or Earth...and what in the world happened with the Xindi-Aquatic ship that brought them home.  Shouldn't Shran's ship be there too?  Also remember that Daniels or the other Future Guy who was with the Suliban said that the Xindi attack should never have happened in the first place...just like the planet at the end of Season 1 should never have had its atmosphere destroyed.

I'm hoping they find a way to explain this stuff :D
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I'm still betting that Daniels saved Archer and brought Enterprise back to save Archer but also to probably have them do his dirty work in WW2.

The makeup of the guy is similar enough, that I'm still betting he's a Reman.

I'm guessing that shadowy figure dude is probably feeding the Romulans information.

We know that: He wants Earth to not be destroyed. He tried to weaken the Klingons.

I'm betting that he's trying to make something like the Mirror Mirror universe where Earth and Vulcan are at odds with one another allowing his faction (possibly the Romulans) to win.

Supporting Nazi Germany in WW2 at a pivotal moment might be enough to change things.

Of course I'm still betting that shadowy figure dude is either Archer or Daniels acting rogue to set things up for the Federation to occur.
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so then...maybe this is the start of the Mirror-Mirror Universe?
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And I really believe it is 1944 (or 45).  Those are D model P-51's so it has to be middle of 1944 or later (unless they messed up which I hope they didn't) and I dout that a war like WWII with innumerable technological advances would continue for 200 years without changing a single thing past 1945 so thats totally rediculous I think.

Something very odd has happened...somehow the time has changed for the Enterprise, or Earth...and what in the world happened with the Xindi-Aquatic ship that brought them home.  Shouldn't Shran's ship be there too?  Also remember that Daniels or the other Future Guy who was with the Suliban said that the Xindi attack should never have happened in the first place...just like the planet at the end of Season 1 should never have had its atmosphere destroyed.



I agree with the first point, but also the second.. I mean, why they'd be fighting WWII 200 years later, I don't know, but it seems like it because Travis never says anything about the stars being off, nothing tells them they're in the past until they go and look, so maybe they aren't in the past, the timeline has just been horribly altered? I dunno, I just have this feeling that that's it... I don't get how Archer, Enterprise, and the Aquatic ship could all end up in the same past without noticing. Then Mr. NotReman makes things [edit] MORE [/edit] confusing.

I'd bet a lot that we're all way off base and B&B will probably pull some bs out of nowhere that couldn't be more different than what we're talking about here... ;)
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The Aquatics could come back in the second part, so where they went is kinda unimportant for now.
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Hmm. I'm quite tired of the cliffhangers. Seems that's the only way Berman will keep people interested in any series.

What I think is that after the Enterprise undocked off the aquatics' ship, some where within the flight path, the Enterprise was thrown back in time, where Daniels placed Archer there so he could solve the mistery of the alien nazy... I want to puke now.....