[jdjtcagle]

What kind of connection do you have Jetmech??

[DragonClaw]

I think a match between Xenos and Starship trooper bugs would be much more interesting, though I'd have to say the Xeno's would kick ass...

[Jetmech Jr.]

jd: Cable, but why do ya want to know?

I'm curious about predator vs. shivan

[diamondgeezer]

I was considering making it a triple threat rules match, along with the ST arachnid. I didn't 'cos I'm lazy and I was busy illegally downloading music

[jdjtcagle]

Check your PM's Jetmech Jr.

[Bobboau]

Shivan.

[Liberator]

Originally posted by Jetmech Jr.
Just FYI, Xeno's can survive indefinatley in open space
 

Umm, no.  You see, the only too we've actually seen exposed to vacuum were the original and the Queen in Aliens.  The first one was torched with the shuttles engines before it could give way, but the Queen went sailing out of the Sulaco like a bat outta hell, the ***** lasted about 15 seconds before she exploded like a bomb.  So that'd be a no on the whole Xenomorphs can exist in a vacuum.

[Jetmech Jr.]

What movie you watchin? She never exploded. And read the comics (particularly Nightmare Asylum). Xenomorphs were fighting on the hull of a spacecraft and not exploding.

[Liberator]

I'll have to rewatch it tomorrow then to check.  No living thing can exist in a vacuum, certainly nothing with as high an internal pressure as Xenomorphs seem to have.

Note:  I use films only as canon.  If the comics have been sanctioned as canon by the creators great, otherwise I use films only.

BTW, before this gets out of hand, Shivans pwn in zero- or low-g, but I doubt they would retain their advantage and full-g.  They would still win because they have the guns and limited vulnerability.  A more interesting challenge would be to put a Shivan up again a Predator.

[Bobboau]

I agree with the Shivan vs Preditor thing, they have the fire power to make it a fair  1 on  1 match, I think it would come down to the environment (I'm thinking about gravity mostly here)

[karajorma]

Shivans. The Xeno wouldn't have a hope in hell.

As for the FS1 movies they're all still up on Fractux's FTP. He only took down the FS2 ones.

[Nico]

Originally posted by Jetmech Jr.
First off, its 1 vs 1, so hive mind isnt much of an issue. moot.
Second speed is key
Third, xenomorphs have a hive mind too

and 4th, An0n pulled the shivan hive mind out of his ass, nothing never even remotely indicated that. At most, everything proves that they're not working with the hive mind system.

Since one of the aliens strengh is the pack attack, a 1VS1 is obviously unfair. Then people seem to underestimate the strengh of both the xeno and its acid. They can rip metal doors with bare hands ( Aliens ), they can sustain the horrible mass and temperature of boiling lead - lead, for god's sake! ( Alien3 ), and their acid can go through glass, which means it's quite strong ( Alien resurection )... Not mentioning their way faster than the clumsy shivans wich are, according to the pics, far from being fully covered by their armor, btw ( underside, arm joints, neck and, of course, the aliens favorite target: the face... ). Slowass shivans would get a 6th eye before really being able to do nutz.

As for the winner, the xenomorph, coz as powerful the shivan may be, the alien looks so much cooler, so he wins, solely on the coolness factor
And I just prefer them anyway


Liberator: who do you want to sanction the comics as canon? There's no "ruler" like Lucas for Starwars. 20th Century Fox has the rights, so those who would get the rights would probbaly considered canon... but then again I can't consider Tarzan VS alien to be canon

[Bobboau]

the move slowly becase there in  zero G, the Xeno is gona be moveing slowly to in such an environment unless he clings to the walls all the time in wich case he makes an exelent target.

[Setekh]

Shivan wins for size - its weapon wouldn't be any good in close quarters because of Alien's speed, but the Shivan would win the ensuing melee. Exoskeleton versus exoskeleton, though, might take a little while longer than Hall Fight.

[Jetmech Jr.]

Yeah, but the queen would knock a shivan flat on it's arse in close combat.

Tarzan vs Aliens= Bad, bad, bad, bad, bad

Xeno's move just as fast clinging to walls as on the ground.

[Flaser]

Whoever deals the first blow - there is no guarantee in combat. The Shivans have better armor and higher strength -and I doubt they come even to a mediocre level of their potential to their full battle rage in Hall Fight - they might have been slightly amused/annoyed at first with humans...that's why the unknowing marines could wonder and babble about "What the hell is that?"

...as for Xenos - hell, they are even faster and I dount zero-g would be too much of a trouble for them, but a Shivan is stronger....

..hence my conclusion: however deals the first blow.

[diamondgeezer]

Originally posted by Liberator
Umm, no.  You see, the only too we've actually seen exposed to vacuum were the original and the Queen in Aliens.  The first one was torched with the shuttles engines before it could give way, but the Queen went sailing out of the Sulaco like a bat outta hell, the ***** lasted about 15 seconds before she exploded like a bomb.  So that'd be a no on the whole Xenomorphs can exist in a vacuum.

It's a good idea to get the facts straight before lecturing

[Star Dragon]

Keep it friendly now!


  As for speed I think they are almost evenly matched if I rememebr how quickly the Shivans traversed their huge tunnels.


  yeah! I would liek to see a Predator Vs Shivan match!  That would be way to close to call as the Predator uses real tactics from logic and not just brute instinct a Xeno does. Though I think strenght wise a Shivan can throw a Predator around as easily as a Pred throws a Human (rememebr ring the poor smuck in the shivans claw and how effortlessly it tossed the guy one handed).. Quick someone figure out stats and then animate this!!! PLEASE! and make it random so sometimes the pred can win! Then we can make bets on it for imaginary credits... FS Fight Club!

  Rule #1: There is NO FS Fight Club!
(feel free to make more rules)

[adwight]

Shivans would own them.  The beam cannon in their head would be moe than enough to deep fry a Xeno.

[Jetmech Jr.]

Well, from the FS2 Tech database on the Shivans, and that little clip it showed of the shivan moving through tunnels to attack the camera, the shivans actually seem to have average speed. Compared to the xeno's, though, they're very slow.

and as to p vs s, I think predator would win (provided that its not close combat, or LONG range. Shivans would own, then). Camo/ plasmacaster, then speargun right in the head,