[Knight Templar]

Originally posted by Crazy_Ivan80
Wouldn't the shivan just blow itself and everything in the vicinity up? Like it did in Hallfight.

That was a rocket/grenade/gun exploding.

[an0n]

Originally posted by Jetmech Jr.
In Alien 3, in that tunnel with the giant fan. The dude who owned the dog saw the runner in that little grate, thought it was his dog looked down, and got sprayed. The edges of the grate he was looking through were shown later melted by acid.

I don't remember that.

And before anyone whines: I'm not disputing that face-huggers can spit. They've done that a bunch of times.

[Jetmech Jr.]

It was a fast scene, and is actually quite debatable as to what happened, but most people, given the evidence, think it was an acid spray.

[an0n]

The thing where it's a long-shot down the tunnel towards the fan and the dude turns to the left to look into the hole?

I thought it reached out and grabbed him?

I'll have to check when I get enough cash for the Quadrilogy boxset.

[Jetmech Jr.]

Okay, just rewatched the 3rd movie. In the scene, it does look like the xeno reached out and grabbed him, but then it shows a one second shot of him, with acid dripping off his face. Later, Clemens finds a deep melted area on the grates.

[an0n]

It probably cut its arm to **** when it smashed through the grate.

[Jetmech Jr.]

Their exoskeletons are rock hard, and considering the grate was was about 1-2 milimeters thick, it wouldn't be able to cut it really...

[pyro-manic]

I'm confused as to the "rock-hard"-ness of the xenos' exoskeletons - bullets seemed to have no trouble getting through it in Aliens. And that's not high-velocity assault rifle bullets either, that's 9mm/10mm short rounds, which aren't too hot at piercing armour last time I checked... It's going to be no match for a beam cannon or a glowy blade thingy...

A shivan would maul a xeno, no contest. It's bigger, it has a gun, it's bulletproof, it's got five legs.

[an0n]

That's what I've been saying.

It'd be like putting a Gorilla against a Macac monkey with a knife.

[Jetmech Jr.]

Originally posted by pyro-manic
I'm confused as to the "rock-hard"-ness of the xenos' exoskeletons - bullets seemed to have no trouble getting through it in Aliens. And that's not high-velocity assault rifle bullets either, that's 9mm/10mm short rounds, which aren't too hot at piercing armour last time I checked... It's going to be no match for a beam cannon or a glowy blade thingy...

A shivan would maul a xeno, no contest. It's bigger, it has a gun, it's bulletproof, it's got five legs.

3 legs, actually, unless their fighting in zero grav, and 3 legs is not to hot for balancing purposes in a fight.

As for the xeno's exoskeleton, bullets do have some trouble getting through (several scenes in which the bullets seem to just bounce off in a spray of sparks), and most of the aliens you actually see killed are done in via pulse rifle, smartgun, grenade, shotgun, or POINT-BLANK shots to the HEAD or FACE with a handgun.

Besides, the point I was makin was that smashing through a 1 mm thick grate wouldnt hurt them.

Originally posted by an0n
That's what I've been saying.

It'd be like putting a Gorilla against a Macac monkey with a knife.

More like a gorilla against a very angry baboon with a machette

As I stated before, shivan has a better chance to win, but against more than one, its chances aren't nearly so good.

[pyro-manic]

Originally posted by Jetmech Jr.


3 legs, actually, unless their fighting in zero grav, and 3 legs is not to hot for balancing purposes in a fight.

Er, it's a lot better than two. And xenos only have 4 (or 2, by your logic).

As for the xeno's exoskeleton, bullets do have some trouble getting through (several scenes in which the bullets seem to just bounce off in a spray of sparks), and most of the aliens you actually see killed are done in via pulse rifle, smartgun, grenade, shotgun, or POINT-BLANK shots to the HEAD or FACE with a handgun.

Those "sparks" are the rounds exploding on impact - do any of the aliens hit not explode rather messily? And shotguns aren't exactly great at getting through armour, so they can't be that hard.

Besides, the point I was makin was that smashing through a 1 mm thick grate wouldnt hurt them.

Fair enough. But getting smacked very hard with a Glowy Blade Thingy™ would, I think.

A Praetorian would have a chance, I think, because it's bigger, harder and still very fast, so it might get a decent hit on a Shivan before it got toasted/mashed/sat on, but a warrior/drone/runner would get it's ass handed to it, probably as a pile of ash...

[Flipside]

However, a Queen versus a Shivan is another matter, at least until the beam weapon charges

Look at it this way, a Shivan can roll the top back on a fighter designed to take nuke-level missile impacts. The Xeno tends to stop for doors

[Ghostavo]

Originally posted by Jetmech Jr.
against more than one, its chances aren't nearly so good.

Why do you keep repeating that same argument? It's freaking obvious... what purpose does it serve? It's not like the xenos are in greater numbers...

[DragonClaw]

It's all about environment

If the Xeno can hide in a ceiling and wait for the shivan to pass under it, and jump it..... the shivan is @*%@d.

Just curious, do we really have any evidence that the shivan can survive in a non-zero-g environment?

[Flipside]

Wasn't there something about Shivans boarding a Terran Vessel in Freespace 1, or maybe from the FS Bible, I'm sure I read it somewhere. And from the Bosch and other cutscenes, it appears that Terran ships do have artificial gravity

[Ghostavo]

Hall fight is 0G? Since when? I don't see bodies floating around...

[DragonClaw]

Originally posted by Ghostavo
Hall fight is 0G? Since when? I don't see bodies floating around...

Are you smoking crack?

It takes approximately 6 seconds for the shivan beam to charge, just timed it  Plenty of time for the Xeno to kick some ass.

[Ghostavo]

Sorry, wrong phrasing, I meant the actual fight... it is 0 grav but it doesn't feel like it... the shivans jumped?!?

[DragonClaw]

Yeah they jumped and caught themselves with their other legs... at one point it looks like gravity pulled one down, but when it jumped it pushed off the ceiling with its hind legs.

[Knight Templar]

I don't think Halfight is 0g. When one of the Shivans throws a marine against the wall, he falls down.