[Fury]

Ace Pace, I wouldn't worry about that. Sounds like overshoot to me, more like maybe 10%.
Future ATI drivers will improve OGL performance and I am sure future D3 patches will also improve performance. Why? Because ID isn't selling D3 to only NVIDIA users.

[Kazan]

actually they are since they're using an nVidia specific feature

[Fury]

It has nothing to do with sales. And to ensure that people in both camps stay happy to promote even more sales.

[Krackers87]

Ya, well when Direct X 9.0c  enabled progys start coming out, ATI's X800 will show its true flaws.

[Fury]

When true 9.0C titles come, we're already one or two graphics card generations further.

[Gloriano]

everyone has his own opion and some peoples like Ati and some Nvidia

Me I always liked ATI Radeons over Nvidia



edit.

[Cyker]

I've historically prefered 3Dfx, then nVidia then ATI.
3Dfx's drivers have always been solid. I still have my Voodoo 2 (Can't actually use it since Win2k+ doesn't have any V2 drivers... ).

nVidia's drivers have always been fairly stable and solid, and they do update them on a fairly regular basis. Their hardware has always leaned on the Crap side 'tho in terms of quality. They seem to just throw transistors at every problem. No once can deny their stuff has all the bells and whistles (Heck, they're the only card with the latest Pixel Shader engines), but the way they're designed feels so... inelegant. It's like writing a Notepad program in MFC vs WinAPI.

ATI sucked hard until the Radeon series came out. I was pretty amazed by that - Going from **** hardware and **** software to pretty darn good hardware and okay software
The softs have been getting better too (I guess they finally realised that they need to employ more than one guy to QA their drivers ), but IMHO still don't match nVidia's. And ATI do cheat as much as nVidia, they're just sneakier about it.

*Rant!*

But sod all that, I'm sticking with my Ti4600. I mean, does anybody not find it... I dunno... '****ed up' that a video card needs more power than any other component in the system?!

The Voodoo5 was bad enough - It was stupid then and it still is. But then nVidia go and trump them!
This thing about the 6800 needing two power connectors?! Has nobody else thought "WTF?!"

First of all, all Molex plugs are wired into the same originating points inside a PSU so unless the current draw is enough to melt the cables then you shouldn't need to plug 2 independant cables in!
And the fact that they also state that you can't plug any other components into those sockets apart from wussy crap like fans just scares the crap out of me!

If things keep on like this we'll need to buy a separate PSU to power the whole bloody card!

Jeez I can just see it...

"Intel announces a revision to the forthcoming BTX case specification, adding provision for 3 extra Power supplys to be added.
In other news, they have also revised the PCI-X to provide extra power rails for the more power-hungry PCI-X cards
(Insert picture of 2cm-thick copper tracks embedded in motherboard)"

[Ace Pace]

Originally posted by Krackers87
Ya, well when Direct X 9.0c  enabled progys start coming out, ATI's X800 will show its true flaws.

True, but by then, every single card from today will be to slow, 6800 included, look how long it took for SM2 to arrive.

[pyro-manic]

Nice card, the 6800GT. Almost ordered one of those the other day, but in the end I decided on a Radeon X800 Pro VIVO, because you can flash them to X800XT, and they're a bit cheaper than the GTs . Sticking it in with an Athlon64 3500+ and a gig of RAM. Should be rather fast....

EDIT: Oh, and isn't this a rather silly argument?* "nVidia 0wnz0rz ATI!" "No, ATI 0wnz0rz nVidia!" etc. They're both very equally matched, and they both kick the living crap out of the previous generation, so whatever you get, you'll have more than enough power for anything you can throw at them in the near future.

*Unless you lot enjoy bickering about it, in which case carry on!

[Ace Pace]

Originally posted by pyro-manic
Nice card, the GT. Almost ordered one of those the other day, but in the end I decided on a Radeon X800 Pro VIVO, because you can flash them to X800XT and save £50+ . Sticking it in with an Athlon64 3500+ and a gig of RAM. Should be rather fast....

Are you sure its safely flashable? I can't remember what was the card that you could flash, but on high end games like D3, it would create a mass of artifacts and no unflash ability.

[pyro-manic]

I think it's only the VIVO version. The normal Pro has the extra 4 pipes physically disabled, so you have to mod the board, but the VIVOs are (apparently) rebranded XTs, so you just change the bios and it switches tehm back on. Linkage below - this is the card I'm getting, and it says how to do it in the review.

http://www.ocprices.com/index.php?action=reviews&rev_id=230&page=6

[Ace Pace]

Originally posted by pyro-manic

EDIT: Oh, and isn't this a rather silly argument?* "nVidia 0wnz0rz ATI!" "No, ATI 0wnz0rz nVidia!" etc. They're both very equally matched, and they both kick the living crap out of the previous generation, so whatever you get, you'll have more than enough power for anything you can throw at them in the near future.

*Unless you lot enjoy bickering about it, in which case carry on! [/B]

As I see it here, its not what better, its really more about nVidia then about ATi.

And yes, I enjoy bickering about in graphics. :thepimp:

[Ace Pace]

Just to finsh matters with the debate.

Fact: the Geforce 6800 GT can easily be overclocked to Ultra levels safely.

Fact: The GT needs only 1 power connector.
Fact: the GT is a singe slot cooling design.

Whats the problem again?

EDIT: picture supporting the single slot design and single power connector is Evidence

[Fineus]

Am I the only one here who's going with "who cares" as a final conclusion... so long as what I have can run what I want to a decent level of quality and speed - the rest is bickering for the sake of bickering

[Ace Pace]

Originally posted by Kalfireth
Am I the only one here who's going with "who cares" as a final conclusion... so long as what I have can run what I want to a decent level of quality and speed - the rest is bickering for the sake of bickering

Exactly, I don't really care, probebly getting a ATi anyway, just for loyalty, but its fun to debate.

[Turambar]

I got my 6800 GT because i like nvidia cards, and for the simple fact that it Pwnz j00!

It's not the only card that Pwnz j00!, several ATI cards Pwn J00! too, but the 6800GT is my card, and it Pwnz J00!

[Martinus]

[color=66ff00]That last remark makes me think you're trying to augment something...
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[vyper]

Should check his e-mail for that.

[Fineus]

Would you like a bigger penis? Where would you like it? I can suggest some places...

[Kazan]

you'll care when your card burns up