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Offline Rictor

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the UN does not, nor do the British, have the right to create a country on someone else's land. Thats like if I sold my neighbor's house, it doesn't work, its not mine to give away.

and in any case, if you want to talk about what land belongs to Israel fair and square, taking as given the legitimacy of the UN's actions, then Israel proper is either a) the area granted by the UN mandate in 1947 or b) the area won by the War of Independence in 1948, the so called Green Line. Neither of these includes the West Bank and Gaza.

Sharon is not a great man. He is a war criminal, and was indicted as such by Israeli courts in 1983.

 

Offline Janos

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terrorism

n : the calculated use of violence (or threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear.

I believe the Russian armys actions would fall under this definition. Words getting too politicised these days.


But wait, does the Russian Army [most of it, at least, let's use 50% majority rule or something] as an independent force follow an agenda or is it the higher command which uses the Army as a tool?!?!?
What the **** are we arguing anyways. I shall still stand proud and defend my statements until my connection fails. internet

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well hell John Kerry is, by his account, a war criminal, and nobody seems to give a damned about it
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sharon is a great man!!!! we will leave gaza\west bank once the palestinians will have a gvorment that acctually work infect he support the idea to give them idenpence aslong they will just be in peace with us.

bobboau ;) , in the indepence war we didnt had an army... allthough we had 1 major  "army" that was called "ha hagana(the defence)", IDF wasnt exsit at that time. those who killed them didnt not belong to "ha hagana".

i cant remeber the name of the orginazition ther were in, though to israel they are  war criminals.israel didnt not support that action!
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The british mendat decided to dvide palestin to 2 countrys... and that was because that country was belong to the brtish
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[q]sharon is a great man!!!![/q]

So was Hitler at first...
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Offline Fear

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omg you just saied sharon=hitler... god dude... that is just cruel...

OMG dude you dont ****ing have the right to say that!!! you cant even think how insulting it is!!!!!!! dam u!

i will not even try to explain you what is the diffrences btween them or what they stand for. you just dont deserve it anymore.

 

Offline Janos

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sharon is a great man!!!! we will leave gaza\west bank once the palestinians will have a gvorment that acctually work infect he support the idea to give them idenpence aslong they will just be in peace with us.
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This is indeed written in the stone and seen in the stars, and will happen 100% certainly [referring to retreat from West Bank especially), no doubt.
... what, with the recent plans to build more colonies?

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bobboau ;) , in the indepence war we didnt had an army... allthough we had 1 major  "army" that was called "ha hagana(the defence)", IDF wasnt exsit at that time. those who killed them didnt not belong to "ha hagana".

Sabra and Shatila.

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i cant remeber the name of the orginazition ther were in, though to israel they are  war criminals.israel didnt not support that action! [/B]

Many Palestinians do not support the actions of Islamic Jihad, Hamas, Al-Aqsa's Marthyr's Brigade, Janos Superior Spastic Army or whatever, either.
lol wtf

 

Offline Janos

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omg you just saied sharon=hitler... god dude... that is just cruel...

OMG dude you dont ****ing have the right to say that!!! you cant even think how insulting it is!!!!!!! dam u!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHAHAHHAHAHA HAHHA

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lol wtf

 

Offline Fear

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you say things that infect arent true, many palestin do support those organzition.

 

Offline Gank

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Originally posted by Fear
damn you i can get anymore angry than i am!
first of all, when the british left israeli there was 2 countrys! israel and palestin. somehow the leader of the palestinians decided he want all the terrtoriy to himself, and not just what he got(by the way he got way more than the israelins). he decided to go on to war, he lost badly...

Not true, the conflict was long underway before the british left and the proposed partition was unpalatable to the jewish population as it would not have left them in the majority in the state they were to get. The war was long begun by the time the british withdrew and the UN partition plan

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when he palestinians lost a small group(israelin , i think...) decided they will take the justice to thier hand they slaughter more than 30 people(unarmed in a small vilage) or something like that and that called the "nakba", they acctually compared thier 30 man to the 6 milli  jews that was killed in WW2. after that happend the palestinians was scared to death and they ran for thier life.

Eh, no. The Nabka was the name for the palestinian exodus, which was somewhere from half to 1 million people fleeing their land, often being forced off it like at Lydda where 60,000 were forcibly expelled, or at Haifa where they were literally pushed into the sea in boats. The event you are reffering to may be Deir Yassin, or one of the other massacres listed here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_committed_during_the_1948_Arab-Israeli_war
There was no one single incident which caused the flight though, bar Zionism itself.

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by the way sharon is a great man...a great great man and there is many others to support me.


Aye, this great great man drew up a plan to invade a neighbouring country which resulted in 30,000 of its citizens dead, over a thousand Israelis, near 300 US Marines dead and the creation of whats arguably the worlds most dangerous terrorist organisation. Not to mention he was found to be directly responsibly by his own government for the massacre of 1000+ women and children. Ya, hes great all right, the same way hitler was great. He too had many supporting him.

Btw, are all Israelis this ignorant of their own history?

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sharon is a great man!!!! we will leave gaza\west bank once the palestinians will have a gvorment that acctually work infect he support the idea to give them idenpence aslong they will just be in peace with us.

Sharons on the record as saying he will NEVER allow a palestinian state to exist.

 

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Originally posted by Janos


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHAHAHHAHAHA HAHHA

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its not funny, its not even a thing to joke about.

 

Offline Gank

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Originally posted by Fear
i cant remeber the name of the orginazition ther were in, though to israel they are  war criminals.israel didnt not support that action!


Irgun and Lehi, as for Israel not supporting them, at least 3 Israeli leaders are former members :rolleyes:

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But wait, does the Russian Army [most of it, at least, let's use 50% majority rule or something] as an independent force follow an agenda or is it the higher command which uses the Army as a tool?!?!?


Do the Al-Queda foot soldiers follow an agenda or are the tools? If you knowingly commit an atrocity, the fact that you are just following orders is no excuse.

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you know I think the israeli conflict and the fact that so many people in europe suport the palistinians is becase of a refusal to accept that someone can take and keep land in a war.


this refusal comes from a 1000+ history of near constant warfare which tells us that occuping another peoples land against their will never works unless you commit genocide against them. It also comes from the fact that we look upon the UN charter as a set of rules to follow, not a tool to be used when it suits us and ignored when it doesnt. Right of conquest has no place in a civilised world Bobboau, and its about time some of you right wing twats accepted it.

 

Offline Bobboau

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"Sharons on the record as saying he will NEVER allow a palestinian state to exist."
he's a polititian, he says many things

heh, seems I was right.
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Offline Janos

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its not funny, its not even a thing to joke about.


Hey wait, this is the Internet. You get that? Ok, you do. See, there's one basic rule we have here.
Your opinions, gender, age, nationality, religion, sex, hair color, looks, style, family, hobbies, fears, rights, strenghts, weaknesses, love, hate, cats, dogs, ponies, everything like that,
are horribly uninteresting, totally irrelevant to conversation and useless if the discussion is not about them. We don't fear you. You cant quell different opinions here. Actually, you can't even change anyone's opinions. Nobody takes anyone seriously. You look - and most likely are - an prick for ever expressing them. STFU .
Spoiler:
This applies to everyone on the internet.
lol wtf

 

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Nobody takes anyone seriously. You look - and most likely are - an prick for ever expressing them. STFU .
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kills time though

 

Offline Bobboau

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"Do the Al-Queda foot soldiers follow an agenda or are the tools? If you knowingly commit an atrocity, the fact that you are just following orders is no excuse."

I think he meant does the whole thing as a whole act to kill inocent people or is it simply an unintended side effect.
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Offline Fear

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"Sharons on the record as saying he will NEVER allow a palestinian state to exist."
he's a polititian, he says many things

heh, seems I was right.
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bob just for the record i love ur comments.

and yes he says many thing, but what maked him great he change his mind to what we ask him :) .

janos Stfu alreay you arent funny /smart.

 

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Come on guys. Calm down and stop insulting each other or this topic will be closed and that would be a shame as I still haven't heard an answer from Rictor.
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Offline Janos

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Do the Al-Queda foot soldiers follow an agenda or are the tools? If you knowingly commit an atrocity, the fact that you are just following orders is no excuse.


Well that's my weak point, but trying to compare Russian conscript-based, horribly funded and ****ed up, ****ty army with forced service with terrorist movements was not a bright idea from the beginning.

Code: [Select]

Big Boss to army: "bomb ****"
then army: "k ****"
Officer to NCO: "do ****"
Consript: "i want to go home, **** you guys"
NCO: Hits Conscript for +4 splash damage!
Conscript: "k"
Mission accomplished! You have killed 12 villagers!


whereas:
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Idiot: "durr I report to my closest Terrist Training Station!"
Big Boss to Idiot: "bomb ****"
Idiot: K
Idiot Bombs Village! We must build up our defences!

i am really good at making strawmans you know
lol wtf

 

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janos Stfu alreay you arent funny /smart.


But you gave me so many laughs. :(
lol wtf