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Offline Mongoose

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Another factor some people forgot, but aldo's article briefly mentioned, was that two 110-story buildings collapsed in close proximity to WTC 7.  I don't know what the seismic impact of the collapse was, but I'd safely say that hundreds of thousands of tons of debris falling to the ground creates quite a shock, possibly enough to cause significant structural damage.  Couple that with debris that actually hit the building, and you have enough probable cause to say that the building's diesel tanks were damaged and leaking fuel, explaining why the building came down.

 

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Aldo, just give up, there is no way to prove that there wasn't a 3,000 man deltaforce/Israeli task force planting tons of c4 and seting it up to explode sequincaly useing preditor cloaks so no one saw them and then useing an Asgaurd transport beam to get out before it blew up, and the planes, well they were probly holograms, yeah that's it holograms, and all the people on them were just made up by the government, or better yet they were all gathered up and killed, yeah that's better, and it's all Bush's fault, that's obvius yes.
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The problem is that many conspiracy theories - if not all - are reflections of the theorists prejudices and perceptions.  People are willing to believe even the worst supported theory, in the face of all evidence, if it validates their own opinions.  In this context, even the vast quantity of qualified evidence is dismissed as 'part of the conspiracy'.  

The other problem is that, even in real life, not all questions can be answered, or at least not immediately.  Some people whould have you believe that's because there's some deep secret conspiracy or whatever.  It's not - it's just real life.

Personally, I think it's infinately more likely that 20-odd years ago, 2 extremely large skyscrapers were built without the designers expecting a disaster of the magnitude of 9/11, than it is that some government agency carefully placed demolitions ( a bomb in any other words) , flew 2 planes into the building, and then waited a few hours before blowing said demolitions up.

EDIT; don't worry Bob, that's all I feel i need to say on the matter. :)

 

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that was basicly my point, he wants to belive this too much to be able to reason with him.
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that was basicly my point, he wants to belive this too much to be able to reason with him.


Well, there are probably questions to be answered.  But I think that bundling it all in some all encompassing conspiracy theory is equally as unlikely as the theorist believes the official explanation is.

 

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The problem is that many conspiracy theories - if not all - are reflections of the theorists prejudices and perceptions.  People are willing to believe even the worst supported theory, in the face of all evidence, if it validates their own opinions.  In this context, even the vast quantity of qualified evidence is dismissed as 'part of the conspiracy'.  

The other problem is that, even in real life, not all questions can be answered, or at least not immediately.  Some people whould have you believe that's because there's some deep secret conspiracy or whatever.  It's not - it's just real life.


I've said it before and I'll say it again. The Kennedy assassination really f**ked up America.

 After that you can get crackpots to believe any old load of crap simply because the assassination was concrete proof that the government will continue to lie even when everyone knows that they're lying and that even changing the president doesn't change that.
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yeah, well Gank isn't American, he's Irish
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I know but a disproportionate number of consipiracy theorists are Americans.
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so are a disproportionate number of Irish.
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And Scottish, *****. :p

I believe that certain events happened on 9/11 that deepened the emotional impact of things, and I believe those parts were either specifically allowed to happen (when they could've been stopped) or were set in motion when they would otherwise not have happened, under the auspices of the United States Government, or someone with relation to it.

9/11 should not have happened - they know it, we know it, but we're too busy shoving our dicks up each other's asses in an attempt to get more money than each other to do anything about it.

That is all.
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That's one way to look at it, sure.  We've seen the video footage of the hijackers walking right through security.

Speaking of which...

Notice that NO ONE brings up the security agents who let these guys on board with boxcutters.  Imagine having that on your resume.
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If you honestly believe that the WTC was destroyed by a set of demolitions charges on the underside of the building, rather than an unanticiapted level of impact and fire, then that's your choice.  But I think it's a steaming pile of ****e.


Never said that did I, I just dont believe the official line theres just too many things wrong with it. I'm not an engineer, but I do work in construction and having read the official explanation for the collapse its pretty much common sense to me that a collapse of the floors, supported only by trusses, would have left the inner core and possibly the outer perimeter walls standing for at least some time after the floors collapsed. I wouldnt take that as explicit proof of bombs being planted though, its possible the exact reasons for the collapse havent been found out yet and the truss theory is just being put out to cover that.

If you want conspiracy theorys though theres no need to look at the actual attacks, plenty of stuff leading up to them and afterwards that stinks of either forewarning or complicity
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline_saudis,_bush
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&theme=israel
Read through all of that and you'll see why its hard to accept the official line on anything connected with 9/11.

 

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Of course it's hard to accept the official report.  We will not trust it's sources as they are in positions of power, and ONLY for that reason.
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Hehehe...

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Of course it's hard to accept the official report.  We will not trust it's sources as they are in positions of power, and ONLY for that reason.


all vodka corrupts, but absolut vodka corrupts absolutely.
There is a very good reason why the people who are in power are in power. Because they're ruthless, lying bastards who would sell their own mother to increase their power. And this isn't my paranoia, it several hundred years worth of examples.

also, consider that IF the CIA/Mossad/FSB (the artist formerly known as the kgb) or whoever did something like this, the whole point would be for it to look genuine. So assuming that they're good enough at their job, which I believe "they" (the major spy agencies) are, you'de never know. I'm just speaking generally here, not about any specific incident, though you can probably guess a few in recent months which stand out.

 

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all vodka corrupts, but absolut vodka corrupts absolutely.


Okay, dammit.  No making me laugh!!!:lol: :lol: :lol:
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all vodka corrupts, but absolut vodka corrupts absolutely.
There is a very good reason why the people who are in power are in power. Because they're ruthless, lying bastards who would sell their own mother to increase their power. And this isn't my paranoia, it several hundred years worth of examples.


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Your hatred for those with power is, no matter how fiercely you deny it, starting to look really tinfoil paranoid.

Or then those with power quite often wish to have good influence [subjective, no ****!] on their country/other countries/people/whatever. I could be wrong.
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yeah, Adams was right...yet again.

No Janos, you're right, I don't doubt that there are people in power who have banevolent or positive motives, but I'm speaking broadly here. However,, I find that its quite easy to distinguish one from the other.

When you have institutions with enormous power, like the Russian state, or the American state or whatever, you usually do not have honest, decent guys in charge. My theory is, and will continue to be until I come upon someting better, that those countries where the leaders are all nice and just want to make the world a better place (er, parts of Europe...also, local governments) are like that because they're too small and irrelevant that anyone with nasty motives would bother to take charge of them.

Whereas you have John Johnson as major of Somewhere, USA, and he's great guy, has barbecues every week and look out for the common man, you also have Rudy Guliani running New York, which is a city of greater importance than the small town. Same thing with small states. Yes, certain countries have good people in charge, but they're too powerless to matter.

thats the theory anyway.

 

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The person who wants to be in charge of something probably isn't the right person for the job.


But he is. If he ****s up, someone else who wishes to fix up the mess the guy in power caused must have willingness to step up and take lead. And so on, and so on, and so on. I'd hate to be led by someone who does not have the ambition and willingness to be in charge, neither would I be a good leader if I weren't willing to be in charge.
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