Originally posted by Splinter
and I keep telling you fro a 5th and 6th time history and thier current swearing lead anyone actually taking the intrest to look into it to the conclusion that it will not work. Your is a theory that it will work mine is a theory based on historical situstions and what they now say but a THEROY none the less that it will not work... cant you accept that?
Who's this 'Roy' you talk of?
Your theory, as far as I can tell, is preserving the status quo that has cause over half a century of mutual violence, hatred and bloodshed. History has proved you cannot use tanks to stop terrorists.
Mine, at least, involves trying to stop that.
Originally posted by Splinter
what is this Palestine you speak of?
The squalid overcrowded territory which will have to become an independent nation of some sort in order to facilitate lasting peace.
Originally posted by Splinter
ignored UN resolutions taht were passed against it when it went into the territories because of an attack on its civilians so it could hunt down terrorists thank GOD Israel ignores that usless body of wind bags the UN who have been helping terrorists in fact. that latest article about athe quassam rocket being tranported in the UN vehicle and this video: http://homepage.mac.com/WebObjects/FileSharing.woa/wa/default?user=gunslinger5&templatefn=FileSharing1.html&xmlfn=TKDocument.1.xml&sitefn=RootSite.xml&aff=consumer&cty=US&lang=en/
Even the IDF admits that's not conclusive evidence. I would hardly call a bunch of local support staff indicative of the rest of the world - which the UN represents - regardless.
The UNs charter was founded to protect the basic rights of man and to seek peaceful solutions instead of armed conflict. Frankly. I can;t think of any more appropriate area for it to pass resolutions on.
Originally posted by Splinter
They are suffering because they started it! they started bombing we started going in. they stop bombing we stop going in. they are suffering cause they choose to fight and kill and murder. like I have said before jsut look at all the arabs living in Israel who have great homes lives families jobs with no crap going on they ahve no raids in their villages they have no checkpoints or army people.
They don't choose to live in Palestine, or in refugee camps in other countries like Syria, Jordan, etc. They don't choose to be stopped from working in Israel because of IDF roadblock. they don't choose to have their homes bulldozed, or their towns cut in half by giant concrete blocks.
And they started it? If you really want to go all the way back to the beginning, then it's down to the conflict between Arabs & Israelis in 1947, when thousands of Arabs were driven out of what became Israel, at the same time as Jewish refugees came from Arab countries into Israel itself. If you look at history, both started it.
Originally posted by Splinter
I do? lets see somone who marches in hamas rally goes and blows himself up shoots at settlers stuff like that = terrorist
somone who wants peace stays out of the conflict dosnt help terrorists in any way and just want to live thier lives and support thier families = not terrorists... I dont think its very complicated. I can see a big diffrence between the 2 I hope you can to.
And someone who is unfortunate enough to get in the way of a bullet? Someone who lives (or tries to) in the refugee camps and sees their house destroyed, or their family caught in crossfire?
Do they deserve it? If not, do they have a right to seek revenge as Israel would for attacks upon it?
Originally posted by Splinter
the point is Israel kills civilians? yes. intentionally? no. are the soldiers who do punished? yes. are there casualties of civilians in wars? yes. Like Sandy said we could jsut bomb the hwole place get it over with... you think these people liek going house to house so that needless lives are not wasted at the expensse of thier own?!
To the Palestinian who sees his son/dauighter/wife/etc caught in the crossfire, intention doesn't matter. What matters, is that Israeli troops did it.
Originally posted by Splinter
so we are going to ahve to sit and wait for the US to attack Iran Syria and Saudi Arabia before the terrorists quite getting support ?! how many years will that be? you can come here and sit it out that long if you wish but we happen to value life slighty more then you apperantly
So it's blame the big bad arabs overseas, now? So...it's not about Palestinians, but about Arab countries? So why even bother going into Palestine and not attacking them?
Originally posted by Splinter
the palestinian terrorists get support from their onw people yes. but do they get the support they need to operate from them? no they are to poor they have squandered any money they did have on trying to blow israel up in the first year. the support these terrorists get is from outside Israel.
So....all Palestinians are idiots who've went bankrupt trying to blow up Israel?
Originally posted by Splinter
ISRAEL IS THE SOCIAL ISSUE!!!!!!!!! READ WHAT IS BEING W-R-I-T-T-E-N FOR ONCE!!!!! I will repeat this once more and hope you can comprehend simple english. the terrorists want Israel gone nothing more nothing less. that is the issue removing the issue is removing Israel from existance. So now maybe do you understand this is like nothigna nyone has faced before. these people will not stop attacking till we are gone for good that is the issue... how do you remove that issue without resorting to thier methods?
I hope this time you absorb this information review the links i posted our existance is their issue. if you still think that removing the issue is the only solution then you agree to the destruction of Israel... its quite simple ina very tragic way. 
Look, if you're not going to pay attention to what I'm saying, then there's no point in this. Popular support, that which is accepted by the international community and an accepted necessity for lasting peace, is to have an independent Palestinian state.
Do this, and you remove the legitamacy and defensibility of terrorism. And you also remove the vast majority of popular support. By doing that, you weaken if not destroy the terrorists ability to maintain an infrastructure. You also ensure that any assistance to these terrorists is no longer seen as assisting freedom fighters, but as helping murderous terrorists.
If you are too blinkered to understand what I'm saying, then it's not my fault. I will spell it out one more time; terrorism exists because of social conditions. The social conditions are the poverty, deprivation, and fear of Palestinians living in the settlements, who have grown to hate Israel as a result of their role in this sorry affair.
If you remove the root of that hate, you remove the root of that problem. This hate of Zionism that you are so keen to allude to, is an extension of that hatred - it's justification is rooted as much in the Palestinian situation as it is in religion. Palestine is the key to the solution. solve that, and the rest will follow.
Send in more tanks, and all that will follow is more suicide bombers and civillian casualties on both sides.
