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Offline Flipside

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I think what makes me laugh most is that, in this respect, Hollywood cannot win. If they create historically innacurate movies (Pearl Harbor etc) they get slammed for it. If, however, they add historical accuracy to the films.....they still get slammed.

Thing is, this is actually quite a bold move on Oliver Stones part, considering the childish attitude that sections of American society have regarding the issue (see above).

 

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I think what makes me laugh most is that, in this respect, Hollywood cannot win. If they create historically innacurate movies (Pearl Harbor etc) they get slammed for it. If, however, they add historical accuracy to the films.....they still get slammed.

Thing is, this is actually quite a bold move on Oliver Stones part, considering the childish attitude that sections of American society have regarding the issue (see above).


Very true. Respect to the man. :yes: At least they're not getting slammed by other Americans (at least in public). That's possibly a good sign. Though some media loonies will probably go into hysterics about it... :doubt:
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Chirstians are sick people.
I don't hate them, I just feel sorry for them.
That is some sort of mental/hormonal disorder. In that case those people need our help (proffesional help)

If it's their own personal choice, then I'm perfectly allright with people shunning them (a bad choice...)
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and, eh, just give it time...
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Offline Flipside

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Thing is, if they had made Troy, for example, as historically accurate it would have never got a certificate. Most of the combatents were under 17 and Helen herself was reckoned on being 13-14 when the siege started.

This, however, at the time was perfectly normal.

Besides, I doubt Brad would have bent over for the celebrations afterwards ;)

 

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Ah well, let's keep this particular thread for bashing Hyprocritical, 'Europe is Free, America Isn't, but just don't mention the gays!' lawyers shall we ;)

 

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hehehehehe :D

Ok, so I got distracted :p

 

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Feel sorry for heterosexuals too? What about Bis? If it is a disorder as you state at the start of your post, then how can you be OK with people shunning them?


Read this part again:
If it's their own personal choice, then I'm perfectly allright with people shunning them (a bad choice...)



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:wtf:

It's a difference, yes, but not a disorder. You're saying homosexuality is the same as Down's Syndrome or some other condition. And why the hell would gay people need "professional help"? It's not a mental illness, or a lifestyle choice. You either are, or you aren't. There's not a thing you can do about it (well, you could try to suppress your feelings and hide it, but you wouldn't be happy). People don't wake up one day and go "I know, I'm going to only have sex with other men from now on. That'll be t3h wicked!" ...

Your comment smacks of either ignorance or intolerance, and I find it rather offensive. I suggest you go and read some books....



If your brain doesn't work like a normal persons brain, then it IS some kind of disorder - one way or another. Maby a bad gene, maby it's psychological - I really can't tell - but it is a desorder.

Professional help doesn't automaticly mean shrinks. And I wouldnt' give gays children for adoption. It would be just as bad as giving them to someone with Alzheimers.

I am far from ignorant and I really don't care if you find it offensive. People are waaay too touchy these days and too easily offended anyway.
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Chirstians are sick people.
I don't hate them, I just feel sorry for them.
That is some sort of mental/hormonal disorder. In that case those people need our help (proffesional help)

If it's their own personal choice, then I'm perfectly allright with people shunning them (a bad choice...)



How very unoriginal...Really Bob,  Iexpected bettrer from you.

Anyway, you start from the wrong premise. Faith is purely a personal choice and has nothing to do with hormons or genes, thus there ca nbe no comparison.
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How very unoriginal...Really Bob,  Iexpected bettrer from you.

Anyway, you start from the wrong premise. Faith is purely a personal choice and has nothing to do with hormons or genes, thus there ca nbe no comparison.


If homosexualty is by choice then - by your statement above - it's ok.  If it's genetic/biological, then obviously God shoved it in the genetic code for a reason, so it must be ok as well then.

 

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Read this part again:
If it's their own personal choice, then I'm perfectly allright with people shunning them (a bad choice...)






If your brain doesn't work like a normal persons brain, then it IS some kind of disorder - one way or another. Maby a bad gene, maby it's psychological - I really can't tell - but it is a desorder.

Professional help doesn't automaticly mean shrinks. And I wouldnt' give gays children for adoption. It would be just as bad as giving them to someone with Alzheimers.

I am far from ignorant and I really don't care if you find it offensive. People are waaay too touchy these days and too easily offended anyway.


So gay people's brains aren't normal? So they're freaks? And how can it be both a personal choice and a disorder at the same time?

What do you mean when you say "professional help" then - brainwashing? Hypnotism? And comparing being gay to having Alzheimer's disease... You do realise that that's what you said? You claim to be "far from ignorant", and yet you think that having certain sexual preferences are the same as a crippling and horribly destructive brain disease. I don't know what to say... :blah:
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I don't feel comfortable around gays, but I don't think they're sick/mentally imbalanced/etc.

I just like my asshole the size it is.
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Offline TrashMan

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If homosexualty is by choice then - by your statement above - it's ok.  If it's genetic/biological, then obviously God shoved it in the genetic code for a reason, so it must be ok as well then.


No, I didn't say it's OK. If it's by choice than it is a bad choice.

Don't start dragging the "It's God's faul" thing. Did it ever occur to you that he jsut started thing and them let them run by themselves - In other words, he created the universe, but doesn't interfere with it's running. A mutation or a bad gene is simply that - there's o great mistery behind it.
God gave us the free will, with everything that comes in that package - if we **** up, we're responsable - he won't be cleaning up after us. Thus, by giving us free will, he allso gave us the posibility to do wrong, to do bad things. Does that mean he approves of them? No.

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So gay people's brains aren't normal? So they're freaks? And how can it be both a personal choice and a disorder at the same time?

What do you mean when you say "professional help" then - brainwashing? Hypnotism? And comparing being gay to having Alzheimer's disease... You do realise that that's what you said? You claim to be "far from ignorant", and yet you think that having certain sexual preferences are the same as a crippling and horribly destructive brain disease. I don't know what to say...


There is nothing to say.
And I never say it is both. I said that it's either one or the other (probably the second).

Yes, I compare being gay with a desease, since it resembles it in every way. (and by all account it IS some disroder. Can you prove me wrong?)There are some scientist that have siad they found a gene that's responsable for it. I just hope they find a treatment.
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Shame no one's willing to put money into finding the gene responsible for religious predisposition... :p
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No, I didn't say it's OK. If it's by choice than it is a bad choice.

Don't start dragging the "It's God's faul" thing. Did it ever occur to you that he jsut started thing and them let them run by themselves - In other words, he created the universe, but doesn't interfere with it's running. A mutation or a bad gene is simply that - there's o great mistery behind it.
God gave us the free will, with everything that comes in that package - if we **** up, we're responsable - he won't be cleaning up after us. Thus, by giving us free will, he allso gave us the posibility to do wrong, to do bad things. Does that mean he approves of them? No.


So you're saying God is playing a game with existence, allowing random genetic mutations to create 'bad' people, and then judging them upon something they have no control over?

So it'd be just as valid to send people with Downs' Syndrome to hell, because they have as much of a choice in the matter? (I'm not sure where animal homosexuality - as has been documented - would figure in the whole unnatural part of this....)

Funny, I never saw God as sadistic.

And if it's a choice, then why is it any more or less valid than the choice to believe in (a/many) God/s?

 If I say you're wrong & need 'reducation', simply because someone preached to me you were, should you accept it?  Because I have as much evidence as you have in claiming that homosexuality requires Clockwork Orange-esque 'treatment'.  Maybe you'd like to break out the nipple clamps on Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists or Sikhs while your at it?

 

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originally posted by styxx:Shame no one's willing to put money into finding the gene responsible for religious predisposition...


Heheheh -amen to that! :D

Trash: Why do you want to find a "cure"? What problems does being gay cause? It's not detrimental to a person's health, it doesn't put them at any physical or mental disadvantage, it doesn't do any damage to them at all. So what is there to "cure"? If homosexuality is a disease to be cured through gene therapy, then so is ginger hair. So is dark skin. So are blue eyes. So is every single human trait and characteristic.

I just don't understand this at all. Why are you so against gay people? Are you threatened by them? Are you so insecure about your own sexuality that you feel you have to prove yourself by bashing them? I really am trying to see the issue from your point of view, but it makes no sense to me. Can you explain it to me?
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Apparently, being homophobic is a common way of hiding repressed homosexuality.

 

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Heh, Trashman hates Gays, that's all it boils down to, there no justification or reason, he simply hates them.