[WeatherOp]

I guess the only WWII Battleships worth calling Juggernuats were the Tirpitz and the Bismark.

[Zarax]

Err.. You forgot the biggest of them all, the Yamato class!

[NGTM-1R]

Originally posted by Eviscerator


Sorry, that would be a yes. The experimental types you are refering to did indeed birth the Dreadnaught class first pioneered by the designers of the HMS Dreadnaught. These vessels did indeed originate before WWI, and did participate in combat before the Great War. The bulk of the ships of the line of the US White Fleet, that engaged the Spanish Navy during the Spanish-American War, were of this type of vessel.

Historians often refer to Dreadnaughts as Battlecruiser because just as I said the term "Dreadnaught" was replaced by the term "Battlecruiser".  

Historians love to refer to the USS Maine as a Battleship too, although the Battleship class did not exist at the time.

The Hood was indeed a Dreadnaught, later reclassed Battlecruiser, completed to late for WWI. I do not see what her combat record has to do with anything. Does it matter that she was sunk by the Bismark in less than 2 minutes?

Anyway, among my educational accolades is a BS in Military History, Virgina Military Institute, Class of '94. I am pretty darn sure that I know what I am talking about.

Then I'm going to have to talk to your teachers. And since VMI is, after all, an army school, I'm pretty darn sure they didn't. The battlecruiser is a seperate class. That's basic. A given. Battleships are the descendants of the HMS Dreadnaught, not battlecruisers. That's also basic. The Dreadnaught itself was and is classed a battleship, not a battlecruiser.

I note you also fail to refute my point that Jutland, the greatest battle ever fought between dreadnaught-type ships, included both battleships and battlecruisers. The two are seperate classes at that point in time. The battleships that engaged at Jutland were dreadnaught-type ships. The more advanced battleship that you speak of did not emerge until the 1920s. Perhaps what you say of the Hood is true. But that does not apply to battlecruisers that fought in WWI.

@WeatherOp/Zarax: The Sathanas can't be compared to any naval vessel, past or current. It's just too powerful. Even a Yamato probably couldn't kill an opposing battleship with a single salvo.

[WeatherOp]

Whats a Yamato? A real ship or is it just made up.

[FireCrack]

Yamato isn't a class, it's the name of a ship

Just as Hood, prince of whales, and bismark arent classes.

[Getter Robo G]

You NEVER heard of Yamato? What ARE they teaching these kids today???

Yamato was like Japan's most kick a$$ battleship!

Also my personal favorite was an anime in the mid 70's called Star Blazers, where they used the remains of the Yamato (in their version it was MUCH more intact) and built a "Space Battleship", in fact coining the phrase. They used it to travel 186,000 light years to the planet Iscandar and back in 1 year time to reverse cosmic radiation damage Earth suffered from constant radiological attack by the planet Gamilon.

you can see the mod progress HERE (shameless pimp)
http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,27330.0.html

I don't care what class a ship is, as long as it is cool looking and kicks a$$ ! (oh yeah and weather or not it is firing on me!)
INCOMMING!!!  

[Zarax]

Originally posted by FireCrack
Yamato isn't a class, it's the name of a ship

Just as Hood, prince of whales, and bismark arent classes.

Yamato is indeed the class name, and it comprised two ships (four were planned): Yamato and Musashi.

[Trivial Psychic]

But the Yamato was the larger of the two, so they very well can't be of the same Class (unless they took the term "class" to be fore flexible than we do).  The Musashi was a large battleship without doubt, but it wasn't identical to the Yamato.

[FireCrack]

Wel, yamato isn't a class in this context. just as ticonderoga isn't

We are talking about classes as in major ship types.

EX, the diference between destroyer class and orion class.

[WeatherOp]

Sorry don't know that much about Japanese stuff.

[Nuke]

as far as i know the yamato was a one of a kind battleship, much like the colossus. too big and too expensive to build more than one. wwii taught us that warefare between such large ships was inneffietient. bismark and yamato didtn live very long. though hood was an older ship, but couldnt survive bismark's more modern fire control systems (and dumb luck). peral harbor and the death of the bismark proved that the aircraft carrier was a supirior engine of war.  smaller vessels seem to be the way everyones going. they have better fire coverage, and the ability to move about the battle field. look at the sathanas and the collossus, they can barely shoot at a target at one ship length away. its far easyer to hit an orion with a helios than it is to bomb an aeolas.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Nuke
as far as i know the yamato was a one of a kind battleship, much like the colossus. too big and too expensive to build more than one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamato_class_battleship

The Yamato and Mushashi were both completed, the Shinano was converted to an aircraft carrier and a 4th was scrapped at ~30% complete.

[TrashMan]

I would personally call FS2 Destroyers Dreadnoughts.

Other than that, normal Naval type naming...(with carriers and battleship being biger than a dreadnought)

[Challenger]

I'd define Corvettes as 'outrun what you can't outgun'. just my 2 cents, though

[Nuke]

Originally posted by aldo_14


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamato_class_battleship

The Yamato and Mushashi were both completed, the Shinano was converted to an aircraft carrier and a 4th was scrapped at ~30% complete.

i need to pay better attention to the history chanel