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Should Harry be denied entry to Sandhurst after this?

Yes!
8 (17.8%)
No!
11 (24.4%)
Maybe!
1 (2.2%)
I don't give a ****!
25 (55.6%)

Total Members Voted: 45

Voting closed: January 13, 2005, 12:17:37 pm

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Offline Martinus

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[color=66ff00]Bloody hell, why is everyone making so much of this?

After 9-11 I saw two guys in a pub dress as Osama, my Friend Laura was up for slapping one of them but I persnally don't understand it.

Mel Brooks is the perfect example of how this should be handled, take the piss out of it, there's nothing more liberating than taking all of the teeth out of the shark. Unfortunately there's quite a few twats running around getting money and power by screaming anti-semitism at people who try to take something heinous and turn it into something harmless and God forbid, actually funny.

If he wore the costume as a joke then surely it's the ultimate slap in the face for Nazi's everywhere whos mission is to breed hate. Meanwhile those utter ****s in the media actually help the gits out by creating an international incident out of a stupid costume party.
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Offline aldo_14

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[color=66ff00]Bloody hell, why is everyone making so much of this?
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Simply because of the sheer, astonishing idiocy in that he seems to think no-one would have minded.

 
He should have gone to the party as gay hitler instead. :D

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Offline vyper

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Queer Nazis. There's a unique idea. :lol:
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Offline Unknown Target

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I voted no. It was a stupid, stupid, instensitive thing, but in terms of admittance to the navy and such things, it's on par with, say, sneaking into the girl's locker room and getting caught: It's dumb, it's insensitive, it'll get a huge blotch on your record, but it's not gonna get you denied acces (although in some places it might, I'm just using a general term :))

 

Offline diamondgeezer

Well as ex-soldiers frequently tell me, the army'll take any old riff-raff... just glad I ain't gotta serve with the little prick

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Offline Fineus

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Have you met him?

I only ask because I've some friends who have met him at a rugby match (post private schools in the south of the UK, you know how it goes).

Apparently, he's a genuinely nice guy. Just "one of the lads" or something like that...

At any rate - lets look at the reason this has really managed to offend so many people: The papers. If he'd gone to the party and not been seen then maybe his friends and he might have a laugh about it - and it would have ended there.

However it got taken ahold of by a media that loves to hate - and before you know it the entire planet knows about it and is being told how wrong it is.

A poorly chosen joke gone wrong - but hardly the crime of the century.

 

Offline diamondgeezer

So he's a bit of a Tim Nice-But-Dim, huh? Cos he hasn't learnt from all the lessons of his past media tanglings...

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Offline Blaise Russel

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I don't see what the fuss is all about, honestly.

Paraphrasing Michael Bywater: to find something offensive is not a judgement, but a whine.

 

Offline Fineus

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So he's a bit of a Tim Nice-But-Dim, huh? Cos he hasn't learnt from all the lessons of his past media tanglings...
 

I'm not sure if that's entirely right - I rather get the impression that he just doesn't care.

However - I'm getting to the stage where it sounds like I know him really well and am in a position to spreak for him. That's not the case at all.

 

Offline Bobboau

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ok, lets think about this, why do people were costumes? it's a joke, you try to find some obscure thing that no one else had thought of and you generaly mock the thing you are going as, if he had chosen to go as hanable lector whould we be hearing cries about his suport for canable phycopaths?

Jesus H. ****ingcrist! this is the same level of stupidity as by people who need an explaination as to why gerbles don't get the same rights as people. it's just so stupid most people don't need to think about it.
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Offline diamondgeezer

Oi vey. Look, I'll say this one last time: the issue I brought up is not that some celebrity's made a faux pas. It's whether or not this sort of conduct is becomming in someone who wants to be an army officer.

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Offline Corsair

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Offline Bobboau

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going to a private party dressed in a costume?
mocking Nazis? (again in private, not that it would realy metter)
this somehow disqualifies him from being an officer?
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Offline Corsair

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A Nazi uniform is hardly just "a costume." It's a symbol that stands for hate, injustice, and terrible atrocities in the minds of millions of people. That a potential army officer would wear it, even in jest, disturbs me greatly. I'm amazed that the British people haven't carried him away and drawn and quartered him. I mean, how many Brits lost somebody very close to them in World War II? The guy who made the Nazis infamous tried to destroy Britain and killed thousands of Brits. For a member of the royal family to then put on that uniform is nothing short of treason, no matter how it was intended.

Then again, I'm not British. So I guess what I think isn't so relevant.
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Offline karajorma

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It's also a rather worrying in someone whose great grandfather's brother is a well known nazi sympathsiser.
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Offline Flipside

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The thing is, if I went, even to a fancy dress party, dressed in a Nazi uniform, I have no doubt that either the party goers or passers by would let me know exactly how tasteless I was being

Whilst I agree that compared to the Tsunami and the like, it should be very low on our list of priorities, but when you consider that this boy, whether he likes it or not, will have pictures of himself, particuarly like this, beamed onto TV's not only in this country but in other countries as well.

It's not easy being a member of the Royal Family, you are an ambassador every moment you are in public, I don't think Harry deals with that fact very well, and it is the norm for teenagers to rebel, but I think Harry tried to push the swing too far in the other direction. Just as with everyone else, I think he has reached that 'too far' point in his teenage life, which is where most of us have that blazing row with our parents...

 

Offline Blaise Russel

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It's a symbol that stands for hate, injustice, and terrible atrocities in the minds of millions of people. That a potential army officer would wear it, even in jest, disturbs me greatly.


The reduction of complex ideologies, attitudes and statements into a single emblem is a gross distortion of the truth and can only lead to the misdirection of otherwise justified and righteous abhorrence, rage and argumentation.

 

Offline Corsair

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Well what's the first thing that comes into your mind when you see a swastika?

I think of my grandpa fighting the Nazis in Italy and some distant cousins of mine who never made it out of Germany.
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Offline vyper

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Don't get me wrong, if I'd been there in person I'd have put him out cold then shoved a replica of my grandad's africa campaign marksman's patch up his anus.

My issue is how much attention the media is giving it. He's an arse, but hopefully the army will scare the little arsehole into a down-to-earth approach.
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