[MetalDestroyer]

It's an excellent ban so don't change for the moment

[Omniscaper]

Swamp Thing, have you not seen the screenshots in this thread? Its the Newly desgined Viper I've been making. I should a known the hardcore fans of the original will some resistance to the new one. Please reserve your judgement till you've seen the entire season. Its pretty good.

I'm actually still catching up with the original and I find it interesting as well (storywise). I have every intention to bring some of its story elements into this mod.

But after finishing the season of the NEW BSG (which is slaughtering Enterprise/Stargate SG1 & Atlantis in the ratings) I think its a worthy successor to the idea of BSG. And I believe its about to out do the original by getting a second season !!!

Its "the show that turned the Galactica from Adama's family camper into a WARSHIP"

update: Enterprise has just been cancelled!!! No doubt BSG lead to its demise because of its Friday US timeslot. Oh well.

[Turambar]

enterprise sucked anyway

bad captain, bad intro music (NOT STAR TREK), and you can't make someone that hot into a vulcan, its a waste

anyways, try what i suggested with the model, making the backs of the thrusters hollow and putting the engine inside of it, but make sure that the glow is never big enough to clip with the model

[Swamp_Thing]

Originally posted by Kalfireth
To be fair ST, there is a lot more material to work from for the new Galactica than the old...

That´s not the point. As i was led to believe, the mod would focus on the Pegasus´s story, right? Is there a Pegasus in the new series? Also, how can a 4 hour miniseries feature more material than 23 episodes of the original?
Fighter wise, it is perfectlly feaseble to have the new Vipers inserted in the timeline, as the Pegasus had to become a self contained nation. They had to build their replacement fighters, invent new concepts, and subsequentlly come up with a better more evolved fighter. It´s completelly possible and even probable, that it would happen so, in a real situation.
Not to mention that, for me at least, the only new ship that looks half good is the new Vipers, since the new Galactica, Basestars and Raiders really suck bigtime, IMHO.

If you are basing the mod on the new series, you should also base the plotline in an event derived from the new series. Porting the Pegasus story onto the new show won´t cut it, especcially considering how they show the "old" centurions as museum pieces, relics. This means that the new series is takin place in some distant future.
But that i all besides the point. It´s not wether one show was better than the other, this is about making a beliavable MOD, a believable timeline, and a believable plot. Sticking to one show as the basis for it is ok, merging the two together is a grave error.

I don´t mean to start a war between both sides here, i´m just giving my input on this matter. You take it for what its worth. No more, no less.

[Omniscaper]

I love people's capacity to judge something before its even materialized, nevermind experienced. No doubt this mod will not please everyone, but please reserve judgement till its out and you have actually play it.

An idea sparks action. Don't be stomping out the spark in FEAR of may come of it.

I know hardcore BSG fans who downright refused to watch miniseries and called it all different negative names. After watching it, they came to like it as it is, a RE-IMAGINED version of BSG. I've seen all 13 episodes now, completing its 1st season. IMHO I think it DESTROYS the original. Its a more grown up, intelligent, and provocative than the original.

The Pegasus story is something Ron Moore may incorporate in season 2, according to interviews. I'd like to tackle her role during the final massacre of the 12 colonies and her fatefull disappearance before bumping into Galactica.. We are still discussing how to handle the teaser mini-campaign story.

Swampthing, if you want to get involved with collaborating in writing a story script, please join us. But Keep in mind, this mod, AS STATED IN THE THREAD TITLE, will revolve around the NEW BSG's  Universe. If you're looking to relive the 70's BSG glory days, look at IPAndrew's mod instead.

[Ace]

Originally posted by Omniscaper
The Pegasus story is something Ron Moore may incorporate in season 2, according to interviews. I'd like to tackle her role during the final massacre of the 12 colonies and her fatefull disappearance before bumping into Galactica.. We are still discussing how to handle the teaser mini-campaign story.

Sounds great, as mentioned earlier it's how I'd handle the plot for this as it gives you more creative freedom.

...also the Pegasus could be a new, fully armed, Battlestar with the latest tech unlike the Galactica and not held back by carrying a civilian fleet along. Cain, being a clever bastard, might not have trusted the computer systems on the new Vipers and had them modified to give his forces an edge. In the end it saved them from the virus designed, so you'd have a wider selection of craft than the Galactica had.

I'd love to see a BSG campaign focusing on striking at Cylon basestars, raiding the occupied planets for resources, (maybe getting the older Vipers from a raid on one of the occupied colonies?) etc. Maybe even have them bump into some civilian ships, but blowing them up due to the belief that they were Cylons.

[Trivial Psychic]

I wonder what actor they'd select to play Cain... in the actual show... should they attempt to create a Commander Cain/Pegasus arc.

[Omniscaper]

I think it would be AWESOME if the original Starbuck took up the role. Dirk Benedict I believe? Imagine how he would interact with Edward James Olmos. Starbuck was as cocky as Cain mind you.

Ace, your angle of approach for this mod is DEFINITELY on the drawing board. I'm just having trouble how to approach the teaser mini-campaign that will hopefully attract more talent to this small and growing project.

To hardcore 70's BSG people like Swamp Thing, we'd like to get your input instead of your prejudice. Ron Moore took BSG references and flexed his creative muscle in crafting an excellent show. If the Pegasus becomes the primary focus of either the teaser mini-campaign or the main UBER campaign, we could use your insight in the story crafting process. THere's no need to differenciate the old/new fan ideas of BSG to create a kick ass campaign!!

[Trivial Psychic]

Originally posted by Omniscaper
I think it would be AWESOME if the original Starbuck took up the role. Dirk Benedict I believe? Imagine how he would interact with Edward James Olmos. Starbuck was as cocky as Cain mind you.

That said, Cain was always a real "commanding" character... no pun intended... both in his personality and in his presence... mainly because of his height.  Dirk is a bit on the short side to play Cain effectively, so I was thinking of someone more experienced in playing the hardened, tyrant, commanding officer, while preserving the apporiximate age of the character... Gene Hackman.  Admitedly, he's probably more expensive than the budget could allow, but then again, DS9 had James Cromwell on as an alien once.

[Ace]

I think Dirk Benedict might play as Chameleon if they do a remake of that episode with Starbuck's father. It'd work well and it'd be great to see the two interact.

As for a mini-campaign, I'd make it set during the Cylon ambush. You'd see the new fighters get their targeting jammed while others fly dead in space, see some basestars bombarding the colonies, etc. I'd make it a prequel to the main campaign, so at the end you wind up landing on the Pegasus as it makes a desperate "fighting retreat" from the colonies. Anyways, a good minicampaign with a planet being bombarded would be fun. Plus, it'd be fun to see the Battlestars being taken out in a fleet engagement. The ships crippled due to the jamming but trying to protect the planets with what little they have.

[Swamp_Thing]

Originally posted by Omniscaper
I think it would be AWESOME if the original Starbuck took up the role. Dirk Benedict I believe? Imagine how he would interact with Edward James Olmos. Starbuck was as cocky as Cain mind you.

Considering how Starbuck is now a woman, how do you know Cain will remain a man?

To hardcore 70's BSG people like Swamp Thing, we'd like to get your input instead of your prejudice. Ron Moore took BSG references and flexed his creative muscle in crafting an excellent show. If the Pegasus becomes the primary focus of either the teaser mini-campaign or the main UBER campaign, we could use your insight in the story crafting process. THere's no need to differenciate the old/new fan ideas of BSG to create a kick ass campaign!! [/B]

No, thank you. It´s not that i wouldn´t like to be part of the project, it´s just that there is no way anything i had to say would ever be considered. You already made up your mind on how it´s gonna be. Anything that deviates from your chosen path would just be an exercise in futility. Honestly, would you consider altering your vision? I think not.
Don´t get me wrong, i wish you the best for you and your project. But i had to let my opinion about your chosen path be heard. The simple fact is Ron Moore changed Galactica to fit his Star Trek background. He changed the cylons into Borgs, with a Colective type structure. He turned Starbuck and Boomer into women, for pitty sake!! He turned even the cylons into women! How "Galacticalist" is that?


Honestly, i don´t want to rain on no one´s parade. Not now, not ever. As i said, i wish you but the best.  I just think that for a Mod to work, one needs to follow a solid timeline and plotline.  As of yet, you don´t even know if Pegasus will make an appearence in the show. You don´t even know if the show will move on to the next season.
I´ll just ask you this: what would you think of adding the Enterprise as Bosch´s ship, and turn the shivans into lovely blue eyed women? I´m sure you would say it´s great, but would you still call it FS? Because that´s what is happening here. On its own, the show is probably great. It´s just not Galactica. It doesn´t mean that it sucks, it just means that it´s not Galactica, no matter what they wish to call it.
I will still play your mod when it comes out. I will probably like it, a lot even. I just won´t call it "Galactica". For me it will always be a parentless story, set in some previously unknown universe. The fact that it shares some similarities to a certain show called "Galactica" will be just unintentionally coincidental.
 

And now i´ll shut up and let you go back to work.  This discussion is over, as far as i´m concerned. I´ve said my piece, my opinion was noted. Case closed. OK?

[Omniscaper]

wow

[mitac]

Originally posted by Swamp_Thing
I just think that for a Mod to work, one needs to follow a solid timeline and plotline.  As of yet, you don´t even know if Pegasus will make an appearence in the show. You don´t even know if the show will move on to the next season.

While my personal opinion differs from yours in several aspects, I could not agree less on that point.

While I could gain the necessary knowledge to work on that project, I doubt I could identify with it. I really enjoy TNS, it's way better, or "different", than TOS. But reading through this thread reveals a dimension of determination (not to say : fanboy-ism) I rather doubt being able to support. No offense, it's just an odd taste.

[WMCoolmon]

Originally posted by Swamp_Thing
The simple fact is Ron Moore changed Galactica to fit his Star Trek background. He changed the cylons into Borgs, with a Colective type structure. He turned Starbuck and Boomer into women, for pitty sake!! He turned even the cylons into women! How "Galacticalist" is that?

Complaining because a new show changed the genders is just silly. If the original BSG had nothing more to offer than a predominantly male cast, and changing that would have automatically made it trash, then I'm glad that I never saw the original BSG.

He didn't turn the Cylons into women and he certainly didn't turn them into Borg. Cylons in the new series are incredibly intelligent individually; the Borg have always had much more resemblance to mindless drones.

Also, we don't really know their structure. Is there a central leader giving orders? All we've seen is that the human Cylons are at the forefront of the invasion. Which does raise some interesting questions about their usefulness after the invasion.

Finally, changing Galactica to fit the Star Trek background stuff is just a weak stab in the dark at Moore's creativity skills. Galactica is anything but Star Trek. Technology so far has been either something to move the plot along or a Cylon. The series has always had a pretty dark note. The characters aren't as rigid or defined, and they have much more personal relationships that are given attention than a Trek show. Even among the Cylons, individual characters are typically the focus. The new BSG, in other words, is a lot more personal than any Trek show.

[Swamp_Thing]

Originally posted by WMCoolmon

Complaining because a new show changed the genders is just silly. If the original BSG had nothing more to offer than a predominantly male cast, and changing that would have automatically made it trash, then I'm glad that I never saw the original BSG.
 

You do realize that what you just said goes against what the creators of the new show themselfs have done, don´t you? Try to find Cassiopea and Athena in the new show. You won´t, because they are not there. If the cast was so predominantly male, why would they eliminate the 2 greatest female carachters?

As for the blatant Star Trek references in the show, it´s not just me who says it:

"The miniseries portrayed a totally new Cylon order that included a new belief system marrying the Star Trek Borg collective ideas with religious overtones.  In the 1978 original, the Cylons were intent on destroying the humans for their interference in Cylon affairs.  In the 2003 miniseries, they were intent on destroying their human creators and replacing them."

http://www.cylon.org/bsg/2003-cylons-01.html

"Eric introduced a more streamlined look, as if the robots were trying to emulate human anatomy, while keeping elements to suggest that they were members of a "hive".  Eric designed the armor details to look imposing and menacing even when unarmed and completely stationary."


"Another important change with the Cylons in the remake was that they no longer followed a strict rank structure society.  The miniseries virtually duplicated the "Borg Collective" from Star Trek - The Next Generation including many details used in that series, not the least of which was the transfer of intelligence upon the Cylon's death to another machine body."

I rest my case.

[Omniscaper]

THATS IT!!! ENOUGH!!! Is a FLAMEWAR what you were trying  to instigate Swampthing?

Let Swampthing express his opinion. I do question why he said it in a forum for NEW Battlestar fans, but whats said is said. Let him be.


Now please stay on topic.

[Omniscaper]

Cylon Raider in Progress




Looks like the ALIEN head don't it?

[Omniscaper]

I got wings ......

[Deepblue]

Very good...

[Omniscaper]

Texture testing.... used reference images.