[Janos]

Free speech and libel suits are not actually contradictionary.

[Martinus]

Originally posted by icespeed
beating a child shouldn't be a regular thing, but it can be a good thing if necessary.

[color=66ff00]I find this a somewhat dangerous thought.

Consider: You're effectively saying to a child, a still forming psyche, that violence is a solution to a problem. The ones that don't make the connection between doing wrong and being hurt are recieving a fairly negative suggestion.

There are better ways, one I've seen is to simply pin the child to the floor face down until they agree to behave, the child associates a feeling of powerlessness with misbehaviour. Lots of genuine 'problem children' have shown a postive response to this method of punishment.
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[Flipside]

Free Speech has always been a strange thing, mainly because it gets twisted to suit peoples needs. As I've said before, theres a line, it's a thin one admittedly, but heres an example :-

America is a phsycopathic country. (Iran is a Terrorist State)
All Americans are phsycopathic.. (All Arabs are Terrorists)

I'm not looking at this as a true statement, just a familiar statement for this context.

The first one is not, in my opinon, an offensive comment, but just as we all are made aware that not all Arabs are Terrorists, yet we associate their countries with funding Terror actions.

In many cases it is true, or at least heavily implied that the governments of said countries are assisting Terrorist acts, even if only by inaction.

The second statement is a generalisation, like assuming all Arabs are Terrorists, it's unfair, but the first statement is only someones opinion of the countries actions based on observation.

[Liberator]

Originally posted by Maeglamor

[color=66ff00]I find this a somewhat dangerous thought.

Consider: You're effectively saying to a child, a still forming psyche, that violence is a solution to a problem.No, you're using negative stimulus to instigate and reinforce a desired behavior set.  It's basic psychology.  If the child associates pain and embarrassment with a given type of behavior then they won't behave that way  The ones that don't make the connection between doing wrong and being hurt are recieving a fairly negative suggestion.

There are better ways, one I've seen is to simply pin the child to the floor face down until they agree to behave, the child associates a feeling of powerlessness with misbehaviour. Lots of genuine 'problem children' have shown a postive response to this method of punishment.Problem Children...I have a real problem with this, in my life I have met very few "problem children".  Only spirited and highly intelligent youngsters whose idiot parents and the quacks they take them to assume that they are damaged because they can't sit still when forced to slow down for everyone else.  A child who is full of enegy and/or asks lots of questions shouldn't be drugged or otherwise forced to conform, they should be guided and helped to find their full potential.
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[castor]

But where to draw the line? What to "ban" to be on the safe side?
...I'd say "freedom of interpretation" lies at the core of the problem

[Flipside]

I think using the word 'You' instead of 'Your Leadership' or 'Your country' lies very close to the heart of the problem.

I've seen it happen a few times on here, and it's an easy trap to fall into. The moment you say 'You' it suddenly becomes a personal accusation instead of a discussion, and the other side is immediately obliged to defend themselves. So, rather than saying..

'So then you decide to invade Iraq'

You say...

'So then, your government decides to invade Iraq'

etc...

[Gank]

Too long.

And lol at the guy who complains about all the anti-american propaganda on this forum then starts a topic on freedom of speech. twat.

[Ford Prefect]

It is my fervent opinion that people should be permitted to say whatever they want, regardless of how obscene it is, the only exceptions being direct threats and libel.

[Grey Wolf]

I feel you should be able to say whatever you want, as long as it's not a direct threat or libel, and as long as you're not being payed to annoy people over the phone.

[Janos]

Originally posted by Flipside
Free Speech has always been a strange thing, mainly because it gets twisted to suit peoples needs. As I've said before, theres a line, it's a thin one admittedly, but heres an example :-

America is a phsycopathic country. (Iran is a Terrorist State)
All Americans are phsycopathic.. (All Arabs are Terrorists)

Iranians are not Arabs. The more you know!

[Liberator]

They's Semites(like the Israelis) right?

[Gank]

Nope,  Aryans hence the name Iran. And not all Israelis are Semites, only 20% or so. (plus the 15% of the population thats Arab)

[Grey Wolf]

I thought that the Iranians were Persian for some reason.

[Liberator]

Well, I meant the natural born Hebrews, not the children of immigrants, but thanks for the info.

[Gank]

Originally posted by Grey Wolf 2009
I thought that the Iranians were Persian for some reason.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_race

[Grey Wolf]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persians

That one says 51-70% of Iranians are Persians.

[WMCoolmon]

Originally posted by Grey Wolf 2009
I feel you should be able to say whatever you want, as long as it's not a direct threat or libel, and as long as you're not being payed to annoy people over the phone.

Pretty much what I think.

As for the whole side discussion about children, I have found parenting to be pretty disgusting in general. It's sort of an ultimate form of the strong oppressing the weak; the parents attempt to dictate and mold to their children whatever their ideals are, or just plain whoever they want to see their child be, without any real regard for how that'll affect them in life. Like the guy selling his kids' Christmas presents on ebay, or the deaf lesbian couple specifically trying to have a deaf child.

And of course, the people who seem like they should allow their kids more freedom are always the ones who work the hardest to make them think a certain way.

[Gank]

The Iranians are Persian like the Germans are Saxon.
The Iranians are Aryan like the Germans are European.

you see the difference?

[Carl]

You should be allowed to say anything you want. that way the world knows you're a tard.

Like if someone wants to kill all the gays. though that is morally wrong to do, you should let him say it all he wants. then everyone will know he's a smacktard, and the police can keep an eye on him incase he tries anything.

[ShadowWolf_IH]

Originally posted by Gank
Too long.

And lol at the guy who complains about all the anti-american propaganda on this forum then starts a topic on freedom of speech. twat.

there was actually a very good reason for this thread, one that i'm sure you are not aware of.  maybe in time you will be made aware of the outcome.  So don't assume, because at least in this case, you don't know what is going on behind closed doors.

and for the record.....
name calling...how quaint.