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Offline Nuclear1

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Why do you dislike the Colossus so much?
Someone actually suggested that Axem use the Big C as a ray gun on GTVA Man...
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Why do you dislike the Colossus so much?
It would have looked better than the hades, that's for sure!
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Originally posted by nuclear1
Someone actually suggested that Axem use the Big C as a ray gun on GTVA Man...


T'was my suggestion... :nervous:
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Offline FireCrack

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Why do you dislike the Colossus so much?
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Originally posted by FireCrack
The colossus looks like a baseball bat?


Jeez kosh, what kinda discount baseball do you play?



Repsted and edited for clarity.
actualy, mabye not.
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Why do you dislike the Colossus so much?
The only thing we saw in the campaign the Colossus did was tear up a Deimos (which any old Orion could do), collide with an Orion, and take 15 minutes to destroy a crippled Sathanas.

We never saw what the Colossus was really supposed to do -  take on as many small ships as possible. It wasn't really supposed to take on big ships such as Sathani.

I've actually created a mission pitting the Colossus against five Orions, and the Colossus owned! I also put it against a modified Hecate, and a Hatshepsut, a Typhon, a Ravana and a Demon (all at once) and the Colossus swatted those five too (and yes, the Shivan ships were facing the Colossus so their beams could fire).

In both cases, the Colossus was completely standard. None of that "firepower mode" throwing away the small beams in favor of BF/LRBGreen stuff.

I did the same thing to the Sathanas, and the Sath blew up with minimal damage to the destroyers, unless one of them is unlucky enough to stray out in front. The Sathanas could kill a dozen Colossuses in front in ten minutes, but it couldn't swat a bunch of flies swarming around it. Then again, the Sathanas was a perfect display of Shivan tactics. I.e. jump in, destroy something really big, jump out. The Ravana could do that to any other destroyer, and the Sathanas could do it with a Colossus.

Another flaw in the standard Colossus is that the beams had a very short range. With a 4000 meter range, the beams couldn't even fire at a ship that was at the opposite side (the Colossus is 6KM long, remember).

It's a shame we were never able to see the Colossus blowing up that NTF battlegroup.
« Last Edit: September 23, 2005, 08:27:03 pm by 1329 »

 

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I sure do love beating this dead horse!
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Offline CP5670

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Why do you dislike the Colossus so much?
eh...where did this comes from?

Must have been one of the threads while I was absent.

 

Offline FireCrack

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Why do you dislike the Colossus so much?
Nope, check the dates...
actualy, mabye not.
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Why do you dislike the Colossus so much?
Didn't we institute a warning system to stop n00bs from dredging up old threads like this one? Oh well.

I just reread the first post... Hi-poly Colossus? Wha? Where? ;7
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Offline CP5670

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Nope, check the dates...


yeah, it's definitely a thread from a period when I wasn't around. I've seen this topic come up many times over the years, but this seems to be the definitive collection of opinions on it. :D

 
Why do you dislike the Colossus so much?
Well, while the thread is bumped, has anyone made a mission where the colossus demolishes an entire fleet in all it's glory?  You know, the kind you make in 5 minutes?
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Offline BlackDove

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Why do you dislike the Colossus so much?
No, but there was a good "Merry Christmas" mission, where five meson bombs detonate and destroy a Colossus.

That's its best use really.

 

Offline Kie99

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Originally posted by MrBig101
Well, while the thread is bumped, has anyone made a mission where the colossus demolishes an entire fleet in all it's glory? You know, the kind you make in 5 minutes?



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Originally posted by kietotheworld
I just FREDded a mission with a Hecate, an Orion, a Hatshepsut, a Typhon, and a Ravana against a Colossus with no fighters involved.

After about 10 Minutes all that remained was the Colossus and a Large Debris field.

This shows that the Colossus is excellent at what it is designed to do.


Unfortunately I deleted the mission after I played it.
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Offline Hudson

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Why do you dislike the Colossus so much?
I think the big c is more of a pychological weapon, one for both sides. One the allied side it raised morale and tightened the GTVA alliance. On the NTF side it demoralized, and destroyed. I kinda think the Big C was designed more to win the war against the NTF and destroy the "smaller" shvian destroyers. In a way the Big C was a sucess, though  it was destroyed before it could prove itself ;P
and maybe you could make another one ? XD

*edit its people like me that should be kicked in the head :P I read only the first page and now I look dumb =( *
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Offline ZmaN

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Why do you dislike the Colossus so much?
I like the colossus.... Its my favorite ship....  it does have a ton of firepower, and besides, yea the GTVA never thought that they would have to battle 80 Sathanas's, and well if they did, they would have constucted multiple C's, and well, that would wipe out the Sathanas's.  Think about this:  If theres a GTVA Orion (or suttin like that), and a Sathanas, and you have a colossus jump in BEHIND the sathanas, its done!!!!  The Sathanas has a major weakness;  that is all the beam turrets (the primary ones, not the anti-fighter beam turrets) are in the front, so if the colossus jumps in behind it, the sathanas is history!!!  (then again, a ship MAYBE a little smaller could do the job too)...   Maybe Ill try to FRED a mikssion like that, and well see the outcome.
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Offline Nuclear1

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I'm honestly sure that the Shivans aren't aimless or careless enough to just allow the Colossus to sit behind a Sathanas and slowly (very slowly) tear it to shreds. The Shivans have 80+ Juggernauts, and during the time that it takes for the Colossus to destroy one, more could be sent in to destroy the Colossus and not be vulnerable.

The Colossus met its match with the Sathanas. Against the NTF, it performed magnificently, because:

A) Humans have morale that can be destroyed by the knowledge or even threat of a massive weapon or ship. Read up on the Cold War if you don't believe me.

B) The GTVA knew how Terran ships are constructed, and thus was able to design the Colossus and modify its beams to successfully destroy NTF fleets once the rebellion had begun. Why do you think the Colossus kept reporting reactor meltdowns when it had to overload its beam cannons against the Sathanas? The Colossus's ordinary beams were more than enough to destroy large Terran capital ships. Shivan ships were a little less understood.
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Offline WMCoolmon

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Why do you dislike the Colossus so much?
Bah, apples and oranges. Or a more apt analogy, shotguns and sniper rifles.

The Colossus was meant to jump into the middle of an enemy fleet and obliterate it, yes, yes, we've established that. A dozen times, probably.

More specifically it was meant for situations like the one in Freespace 1, where you fly the captured Dragon. In that situation, the Colossus could probably have wiped out every Shivan vessel in the area without sustaining too much damage, even with beams.

Note that it could've also taken advantage of the Lucifer's forward-facing weapons with its massive broadside armanment.

It didn't work well in Freespace 2 because the enemy vessels changed. Specifically, the Sathanas was introduced. Rather than being a general purpose vessel like most Shivan vessels, the Sathanas is a specific tool. It's configured to shoot forward at big, slow things. The Colossus is a big, slow thing.

Thus, the Sathanas was perfectly configured to take advantage of the Colossus' weakness, while the Colossus' weakness (spread-out rather than concentrated firepower) was perfectly suited to make it ineffective against the Sathanas.

I believe the point Volition was trying to make is that Command was trying to fight the last battle - they were using tactics/strategies they'd learned to be effective in the last war against the Shivans, rather than coming up with new ones.

Consider the difference in weapons and ship assignments in Freespace 1 and 2. In Freespace 1, weapons and ships are invented out of desperation. In Freespace 2, weapons and ships are pretty static; you're simply given access to them.

Meanwhile, the GTVA is getting totally reemed. The only person trying something new and coming up with new technology is Bosch.

It's basically the exact opposite of FS1.


But I digress, by a rather huge amount. :p
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Offline Kie99

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I like the colossus.... Its my favorite ship....  it does have a ton of firepower, and besides, yea the GTVA never thought that they would have to battle 80 Sathanas's, and well if they did, they would have constucted multiple C's, and well, that would wipe out the Sathanas's.  Think about this:  If theres a GTVA Orion (or suttin like that), and a Sathanas, and you have a colossus jump in BEHIND the sathanas, its done!!!!  The Sathanas has a major weakness;  that is all the beam turrets (the primary ones, not the anti-fighter beam turrets) are in the front, so if the colossus jumps in behind it, the sathanas is history!!!  (then again, a ship MAYBE a little smaller could do the job too)...   Maybe Ill try to FRED a mikssion like that, and well see the outcome.


No, because this is how it goes, even if there was only one Sathanas:

*Colossus jumps in behind Sathanas and begins firing beams*
*Sathanas' Hull Integrity is at 97%*
*Sathanas Jumps out*
Colossus: :wtf: Command, the Sathanas has left the area.
*Sathanas exits subspace with the Colossus right in front of it.*
Colossus: ****.
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Offline TrashMan

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Why do you dislike the Colossus so much?
There are no tactical short jumps in Fs as I recall....

but anyway, there is one huge difference. If a Sath jumps in in a perfect fire position against the Colossuss, it will obliderate it, but  Collie will fight back and do some damage.

On the other hand, if the Collie jumps in a perfect fire position against the Sath, the sath is doomed and it will do little to no damage in return.

Point is that practilcly any terrna ship can be used effectivly against a sath, but no shivan ship (save hte Sath) could be used against the Colossuss.
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Offline Kie99

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There are no tactical short jumps in Fs as I recall....


That's because they're only useful if you're ambushed.  In open combat, if you nano-jump, your opponent can nano-jump as well. However, if your opponent has just jumped in, you can jump out before they get the chance to warm up their jump drive.
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