[Liberator]

What I'm saying is that if any Jedi was going to die of dismemberment, it should've been Mace and the other guy should have been gravely wounded.

[Jetmech Jr.]

Petulant, nitpicking, spoiled brats. You can't even come up with a real reason to hate the movie. "I don't like it because, you know, Vaders screams "NOOOOO." Ruined the whole movie for me" or "Chewbacca was in it for no reason. THATS SO STUPID. THIS MOVIE SUCKS!"

[Jetmech Jr.]

Spoiler:

How the **** did Windu die like a lightweight? He wasn't "narrating," he was trying to make up his mind while Anakin through moral curveballs at him. Then Anakin slices off his hand. In retrospect, it was more Anakin than Sidious who killed him.

And Lib, Goddamn, did you watch the damn movie? Cutting off an arm generally counts as a form of dismemberment, and Sidious WAS seriously wounded. Or does Windu Permanently scarring him with his own lightning not count?

[Stealth]

Originally posted by Knight Templar


Well, kid, for starters
... for starters, remember you're 3 years younger than me...


'Typical' of you to arrogantly like the movie just because they drew a bunch of arrows as to where things go for Episode IV.
two things...
1) look up the definition of "arrogant", because you've used completely out of its context...
2) i didn't say the only reason i liked EPIII was because they left nothing hanging... i just said i liked how they tied up all the loose ends... something i was hoping they'd do.

Whee! Look! It's Tantive IV! And hey, there's Chewbacca for no reason, other than he gives Yoda a piggy back ride. Grr! Me angry Vader! Me Mad at death of Padme'! Arrrgghhh!!! Oh, hey Obi-wan, by the way, Qui-Gon isn't really "dead" per se. He says "hey" and he knows how you can join the force after death. It's not something all Jedi learn, just Qui-Gon (And some how Anakin). He'll teach you while you're doing nothing for 18 years in your new house on Tatooine! wooot!


AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

you've got to be the biggest dumass i know...

either way, i think it was easily the best of the three, despite all the expectations they were working against.  overall, i give it a 10/10; as the best movie i've seen so far this year by a long-shot

[SadisticSid]

Originally posted by Jetmech Jr.
And Lib, Goddamn, did you watch the damn movie? Cutting off an arm generally counts as a form of dismemberment, and Sidious WAS seriously wounded. Or does Windu Permanently scarring him with his own lightning not count?[/spoiler] [/B]

All the literature points to the 'deformation' coming as part of using your dark side powers too much - I think that was the idea as Anakin's eyes became yellower as he did more damage.

Was Windu stronger than Palpatine, or was the whole defeat thing engineered to bring Anakin over to the dark side once and for all? And was Darth Plagus Palpatine's old master, since General Grievous seemed to be powered by that heart and lungs, something that the 'power to create life' would be needed for?

[EtherShock]

I wouldn't say he was wounded, but he was essentially disarmed and defeated for the most part.

Originally posted by SadisticSid

All the literature points to the 'deformation' coming as part of using your dark side powers too much - I think that was the idea as Anakin's eyes became yellower as he did more damage.

Was Windu stronger than Palpatine, or was the whole defeat thing engineered to bring Anakin over to the dark side once and for all? And was Darth Plagus Palpatine's old master, since General Grievous seemed to be powered by that heart and lungs, something that the 'power to create life' would be needed for?

For all we know the he could've been lying about that. The Sith use deception all the time. I wouldn't be surprised if that was a crock of bull&^$%. Grevious could've been created in a similar manner as Vader was.

I think Palpatine used the force to maintain his image, but when he was fending of Mace, all his energy went into the lightning, revealing his true image. Mace has about to open a can of whoop ass on Wrinkles there, but as usual, the good guy has to lecture the villain when he or she is on the brink of defeat.

Anakin had a struggle with what was good and what was evil. The Jedi have a strict code of how things are done, and when he saw that the Jedi were going against it, he had no idea whose side to take--for a minute. Then he realized the only way he could save Padme was by turning to the darkside, or so he thought. Remember, he would've killed Palpatine himself if it wasn't against the Jedi code that he obeyed, for the most part. He certainly broke it in other ways (Padme) but upheld it otherwise. This is could also be blatant symbolism for religion or other agendas.

The movie does get back to the original Star Wars formula however, which I must commend Lucas for.

You know, I'm actually appreciating it more now that I'm able to discuss it with people that have seen it already.

[Ford Prefect]

Just saw it tonight. All I have to say is, if you don't like this movie, you are wrong.

I have an erection from the sheer awesomeness of this film. I have to watch it again. Holy $h!t I don't know where to start.

More rational and/or substantial contributions may follow. I can't gather my thoughts now.

[Jetmech Jr.]

Originally posted by SadisticSid

All the literature points to the 'deformation' coming as part of using your dark side powers too much - I think that was the idea as Anakin's eyes became yellower as he did more damage.

Actually...No.

ROTS: Visual dictionary. There's a Picture of Sidious with a bit of subtext saying "disfigured by Sith Lightning."

Was Windu stronger than Palpatine, or was the whole defeat thing engineered to bring Anakin over to the dark side once and for all? And was Darth Plagus Palpatine's old master, since General Grievous seemed to be powered by that heart and lungs, something that the 'power to create life' would be needed for?

A bit of both, IMO. Windu had Palpatine beaten for the most part, but then Palpatine switched things around and played the "Old man, HELP ME PLZ!" routine on Anakin. And it worked.

[Stealth]

Was Windu stronger than Palpatine, or was the whole defeat thing engineered to bring Anakin over to the dark side once and for all? And was Darth Plagus Palpatine's old master, since General Grievous seemed to be powered by that heart and lungs, something that the 'power to create life' would be needed for?

From what i've read and seen in the movies, Mace Windu was always respected to be one of the baddest lightsaber fighters around... i.e. remember: "a knowledge of the force like Master Yoda, and a knowledge of the lightsaber like Master Windu"... i think he was known to be one of, if not the best lightsaber fighter at the time.

I also was thinking that perhaps Plagus was Palpatine's master, and Palpatine killed him... cause he seemed to know quite a bit about the 'legend'

[Liberator]

Originally posted by Ford Prefect
I have an erection from the sheer awesomeness of this film.

[icespeed]

i thought palpatine learnt everything he could about the dark force's life stuff from plagus and then killed him in his sleep- didn't he say that?

ah, but how cool was yoda's fight with palpatine!!! *bounce bounce slam schzooschzooooommmmm bounce schzooommmm bounce!*

[WMCoolmon]

Originally posted by EtherShock
I think Palpatine used the force to maintain his image, but when he was fending of Mace, all his energy went into the lightning, revealing his true image. Mace has about to open a can of whoop ass on Wrinkles there, but as usual, the good guy has to lecture the villain when he or she is on the brink of defeat.

I thought it was pretty well established that the metal thingy around the window resulted in him shocking himself. After the initial disfigurement, when he was on the defensive, he didn't seem to have any trouble with zapping people right and left.

[Sandwich]

KT, Stealth, and Jetmech: Shut up right now with the personal insults and jabs, or you will be monkeyed or banned.

[WMCoolmon]

I wanted to post some stuff on another forum set, but they wouldn't let me post, so here are my posts (I liked them enough to copy-paste )

In response to the younglings scene
I thought it was done perfectly. The kids naturally turned to Anakin for guidance, since they saw him as one of them - quite a few probably looked up to him, too - and then he ignites his lightsaber. You know what he was going to do, just not how exactly it happened...which makes it all the more creepy.

My only complaint is that the rest of the film trivialized it. Obi-wan watches six videos or so lasting about a half-second each, then talks as though he'd seen something horrible lasting over a long time. Then they're repeatedly called "younglings" not "jedi children"; it just seemed that the unfamiliar word insulated what he'd done.

I don't think leaving it completely up to the imagination would've helped, there was far too much in the film that that was done for.


In response to a 'what does it take to satisfy you people' thread
IMHO, Episode 3 wasn't all that great.

It was good, but there was just too much that seemed like a quick fix to tie the PT up with the OT. There was a lot in the movie, but there never really seemed to be any depth behind it. Reasons, yes. Depth, no. I feel like the majority of the story happened OS, and Ep3 was basically a slideshow of the major parts.

Ex: Palpatine announces the Galactic Empire. Why would any political body cheer about its own near-spontaneous dismantling and reorganization? Why did everyone accept the 'Jedi are traitors' line after the Jedi saved Palpatine's life? Those could've been solved with politicking on Palpatine's part, but none of that is seen or even hinted at. The same goes for Anakin's turn to the Dark side. "Oh god, I just killed a Jedi Master...I've done something horrible...but hey, Mr.Sith, I'll do anything you ask - like slaughter every other Jedi."

In the end, I have to say that the single most memorable sequence in the film was when the Jedi died and got wiped out.

Grievous seemed unneccessary, too. Taking him out would've let GL put in some more explanation and depth and spread out the OT references. He would've been fearsome, except he coughed a lot.

All in all, there were a lot of parts in the movie that I felt like I would've cared, if it had been done differently, but didn't care in its current incarnation.

[Stealth]

Originally posted by Sandwich
KT, Stealth, and Jetmech: Shut up right now with the personal insults and jabs, or you will be monkeyed or banned.

yeah with all due respect, it was him that started...but OK

it just pisses me off that he can say the movie sucks, for the reasons he gave... because i thought it was a great movie

[Jetmech Jr.]

Originally posted by Stealth

it just pisses me off that he can say the movie sucks, for the reasons he gave... because i thought it was a great movie

Essentially the same here, but fine. I'll lay off about it.

[EtherShock]

Originally posted by WMCoolmon
I wanted to post some stuff on another forum set, but they wouldn't let me post, so here are my posts (I liked them enough to copy-paste )

In response to the younglings scene
I thought it was done perfectly. The kids naturally turned to Anakin for guidance, since they saw him as one of them - quite a few probably looked up to him, too - and then he ignites his lightsaber. You know what he was going to do, just not how exactly it happened...which makes it all the more creepy.

My only complaint is that the rest of the film trivialized it. Obi-wan watches six videos or so lasting about a half-second each, then talks as though he'd seen something horrible lasting over a long time. Then they're repeatedly called "younglings" not "jedi children"; it just seemed that the unfamiliar word insulated what he'd done.

I don't think leaving it completely up to the imagination would've helped, there was far too much in the film that that was done for.


In response to a 'what does it take to satisfy you people' thread
IMHO, Episode 3 wasn't all that great.

It was good, but there was just too much that seemed like a quick fix to tie the PT up with the OT. There was a lot in the movie, but there never really seemed to be any depth behind it. Reasons, yes. Depth, no. I feel like the majority of the story happened OS, and Ep3 was basically a slideshow of the major parts.

Ex: Palpatine announces the Galactic Empire. Why would any political body cheer about its own near-spontaneous dismantling and reorganization? Why did everyone accept the 'Jedi are traitors' line after the Jedi saved Palpatine's life? Those could've been solved with politicking on Palpatine's part, but none of that is seen or even hinted at. The same goes for Anakin's turn to the Dark side. "Oh god, I just killed a Jedi Master...I've done something horrible...but hey, Mr.Sith, I'll do anything you ask - like slaughter every other Jedi."

In the end, I have to say that the single most memorable sequence in the film was when the Jedi died and got wiped out.

Grievous seemed unneccessary, too. Taking him out would've let GL put in some more explanation and depth and spread out the OT references. He would've been fearsome, except he coughed a lot.

All in all, there were a lot of parts in the movie that I felt like I would've cared, if it had been done differently, but didn't care in its current incarnation.

I agree, some scenes were very well done, like the younglings, the extermination of the Jedi, Anakin's choice not to kill Palpatine and then his choice to save him, and a few others, but the movie as a whole left me unfulfilled. I didn't find much plot. It's just like George told you exactly what was going to happen (most of which we knew) for the most part, without going any deeper. I was really disappointed that Dooku was trivialized. He was so awesome in AOTC. No one could beat him. He didn't seem to put up much of a fight this time, unless Anakin had become that much more powerful.

I heard Grievous was a badass in the Clone Wars cartoon, but he didn't seem that tough in the movie. The coughing and wheezing played a huge part in my first impression of him and made him seem like a joke. He sounded like he had been smoking his whole life. I only saw the first few episodes of the first season, so I don't know what happened, and please don't spoil it.

Dooku said in Ep 2 that the senate was under the control of a Sith lord, so I figure that Palpatine was manipulating them with the Force. It's a little far-fetched though. Could one person deceive that many people with the Force alone? He would've had to do some major BS'ing and campaigning I think to fool practically all of them.

I'd have to see the scene where Obi-Wan watches the security hologram again. Maybe it was just like all the pieces of the puzzle came together finally and they were overwhelming. Remember, the Jedi are trained to control their feelings, but if they should've emphasized that more in the PT if they wanted that effect. I didn't feel "younglings" had an effect on that scene, but it definitely could've been better. There were a lot of things that could've been. I didn't find myself getting the kind of reactions from scenes like I should've for the most part, even the epic final duel didn't capture my emotions like it most definitely should have. Well, I get to see it one more time, so maybe I will like the movie better.

I guess George thought what was shown were the most important parts. In general, it was a good movie. Most people will love it. As a Star Wars movie, it didn't live up to the name. Good it was not. If the OT DVD has told us anything, he doesn't give a damn what the people think, which is important in art, but always the audience must you keep in mind, long as one you have.

[Dough with Fish]

It seems like a lot of the things Lucas threw in was just stuff to fangasam over, and it seems no one bit.

There was one thing that I thought was great that was thrown in. The Millenium Falcon, or atleast a YT-1300 transport. That's right, it's in there. In the scene where Obi-Wan and Anikin are heading to get greeted by the politicians, in the shot of the transport sweeping in and landing you can see the Falcon come in from the lower-right part of the shot. I liked that. Also, the scene where the four troops on the walkers come in and say 'All these wookies are dead' or whatever apears to be Delta Squad from the game. Not quite sure on that one though.

[Jetmech Jr.]

Originally posted by EtherShock

I heard Grievous was a badass in the Clone Wars cartoon, but he didn't seem that tough in the movie. The coughing and wheezing played a huge part in my first impression of him and made him seem like a joke. He sounded like he had been smoking his whole life. I only saw the first few episodes of the first season, so I don't know what happened, and please don't spoil it.

You were supposed to have watched the Clone Wars for a first impression of Grievous. That's kinda why Lucas & Co. asked the Makers of the miniseries to include him in the last episode :/ So, who's fault is this again?

Dooku said in Ep 2 that the senate was under the control of a Sith lord, so I figure that Palpatine was manipulating them with the Force. It's a little far-fetched though. Could one person deceive that many people with the Force alone? He would've had to do some major BS'ing and campaigning I think to fool practically all of them.

....

He didn't use the force. Palpatine was a naturally Charismatic, and seemingly sympathetic politician. In a time of war, he was chosen to serve as a leader, and was given some serious executive power. THATS how he gained control. Through politics and deception.

I guess George thought what was shown were the most important parts. In general, it was a good movie. Most people will love it. As a Star Wars movie, it didn't live up to the name. Good it was not. If the OT DVD has told us anything, he doesn't give a damn what the people think, which is important in art, but always the audience must you keep in mind, long as one you have.

As a Star Wars movie, I think this was a simply fantastic piece of work. Restored my faith in Mister Lucas Completely.

[Sandwich]

Originally posted by EtherShock

I agree, some scenes were very well done, like the younglings, the extermination of the Jedi, Anakin's choice not to kill Palpatine and then his choice to save him, and a few others, but the movie as a whole left me unfulfilled. I didn't find much plot....


....I didn't feel "younglings" had an effect on that scene, but it definitely could've been better. There were a lot of things that could've been. I didn't find myself getting the kind of reactions from scenes like I should've for the most part, even the epic final duel didn't capture my emotions like it most definitely should have.

*agrees 101%*