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Offline Sandwich

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So... the Grand Finale, Wednesday at midnight, worldwide (and timezone-dependent). Which means that I'll probably see it before most of you. Nyah nyah. :p Discuss.

Secondly, this article has an interesting tidbit of information thrown in there without reference or source, but a VERY interesting tidbit indeed:

[q]Producer Rick McCallum and Lucas are planning to go back and reconfigure all the movies for 3D, and neither rules out making changes in the process. Lucas, who says he has kept himself outside the "Star Wars" phenomenon while acting as "an obviously interested observer" of the influence that his wild idea has had on the culture of the 20th and 21st centuries, says he will be involved with the 3D editions, but they will not rule what he says is the third act of his life.[/q]

Again, discuss.
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3D ? as in holotech 3D? or surroundvision 3D?
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Rick McCallum and Lucas are planning to go back and reconfigure all the movies for 3D, and neither rules out making changes in the process.


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Something suggests Lucas will spend the rest of his life improving on Star Wars.

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i'm also going wednesday night :)

 

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has lucas ever tried to get a different universe going? ever? id like to see him do some non-star wars sci-fi for a change.
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Improving is a relative term, kinda like computer computer games. The image 'improves' the content doesn't.

 

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This movie is going to be earth-shatteringly awesome. Did anyone see the preview where Mace Windu and three other Jedi go into Palpatine's office to arrest him, and he TAKES THEM ALL ON?!?!?! WHO DOES THAT?! I can't handle it!!!!!!!!! I have to see it NOW!
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LOL Yes, must admit, I'm looking forward more to this one than the other 2 :)

 

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I enjoyed the first two as much as, if not more than, the original movies. It felt to me like they showed more of the Star Wars universe than the originals. The worlds are spectacular to look at, the lightsaber fighting is a million times better, and they're just generally much more exciting to me.
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Indeed, but then the Universe has had 25 years to be worked on. I found the plot and cast to be weaker and less human, and the whole focus to be more based on how it looked rather than the characters and acting. None of the acting was 'bad' as such, but it just didn't allow the viewers to empathise or relate to the characters in the same way as the original did. The example I'll always use is that, for all the fancy acting, there is not a scene so far in the new episodes that have the passion of Luke when Vader threatens his sister, or the desperation of the Rebel pilots as they take on the Death Star, you truly felt sympathetic for them, you really hated Vader, you really gritted your teeth and said 'Go there my Son!' when Luke uses the lightsaber like a Baseball bat in his final battle with Vader.

So yes, more universe, less feeling.

 

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The new SW movies compared to the old trilogy are like Freelancer compared to Freespace - more eye-candy, to the exclusion of anything resembling a good story / casting. :ick:
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"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill

 

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not to mention the specal effects look crappy in the new films, so far. maybe the next one will be diferent but after seeing what has happened, I doubt it, were likely to see a whole bunch more hey! HEY LOOK! HEY!!! LOOK AT ME!!!!! I'M COMPUTER GENORATED!!!!!!!! LOOOK ENVIRONMENT MAPPING!@!!!!!!!!!!!! ENVIRONMENT MAPPING!!!!!!!!!!!!! i'M NOT A REAL (SHIP/LIVEING THING), I'M NOT A REAL ANYTHING I'M COMPUTER GENORATED LOOK AND BE AMAZED AT THE NOT A-SPACE-(SHIP/ALIEN)NESS i'M NOT REAL DON'T EVEN THINK IT POSABLE!!!!!!!
the effects are totaly not beleveable, the point of effects is to make something that cannot exsist look like it's there in real life, you don't even think for an instant that anything you see is real, the ships are too clean and the animals are too... bouncey/bright/shiney.

the sad thing is the same people thirty years ago were able to acheve some of the best effects ever, infact the made the stick by wich everything else has been measured sence, a stick far larger than the one they use today.
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"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill

 

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I agree wiht bob, there is no good blending between the real and computer stuff.
actualy, mabye not.
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they tend to make things too shiny these days.... or give skin a plastic look...

You think those famed animators should know better..they could learn from Gollum!!
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The fact is that even Special Effects experts agree that models work better, but making decent models and finding decent physical modellers is more expensive than CG stuff. George Lucas, however, gets carried away, with all his nice shiny spaceships and luminous aliens. Take a look at Tatooine in Ep1 and in Ep4, I much prefer the Ep4 one, which really looks like a dump, even the Falcon, with it's burn marks and dirt stains, has 1000x more character than the ridiculously fake ships in the new movies. Jim Henson and the muppet workshop dd a better job at the aliens as well, why? Because they were real objects interacting with a real environment, and we still lack the technology to produce that seamlessly on a computer.

If a CG alien picks up a drink, the you either need to layer the image over a real person picking up the drink, which always makes the drink sit wrongly in the CG's hand, or you can animate the drink as well, which then leaves you to worry about the drinks interaction with the table it's on, i.e. refraction of light, shadow etc, which never looks quite 'right'. You can see how this leads to a chain where everything is suddenly computer animated, and the human eye is more susceptible to the small 'errors of reality' when you are trying to trick it than an obvious man in a rubber suit. It's strange, but true.

 

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The new episode's ships are shiny because they are new.  Brand new.  The pod racers looked beat up, but recently cleaned before the race.  Do you think sebulba would want a big beat up piece of crap on the track and call it his own?  In episode 4-6, each of the ships saw a ton of action from the moment of completion to the destruction/recycling/losing-and-not-finding.

 

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Actually, I don't recall it being mentioned anywhere that the ships were brand new, simply that the clones inside them were, in the case of the Pre Star-Destroyers. The B-Wings in ROTJ were brand new, and clean, yet still managed to remain matte.

Edit : Basically, I don't see, in a universe that is supposedly 20,000 years old, a reason for suddenly everyone to jump up and say 'Let's build some brand new ships! After all Vader and the Emperor are coming and we want to look our best!'.
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