[Charismatic]

Maby he dose, who know's.

Tho it sounds cool and funny, that would be a horific sight to see Any people be such brutally murdered like that. A shivan out break 100 times worse then what we got. We contained it, they didnt.

I dont beleive they got what they deserved. No one deserves that. I respect their galatic empire, to a degree, and to another degree, they show'ed no mercy, those bastards!

Something relateing Bosch will bite us in the ass.

By the way, what star was being created, in that cutseen, a monologue. Where was it?

And Finally, can someone make a map, showing where the 3+ Knossos's are please.

[Nuclear1]

It's not the fact that the Ancients were deserving anything; they simply had stepped outside of their boundaries and limits, and the Shivans had to come to restrain and end their expansion before they eradicated any other space-faring race.

By the way, what star was being created, in that cutseen, a monologue. Where was it?

That wasn't a star being created, IIRC. It may have been a black hole sucking energy from the nearby star, if we're thinking of the same monologue.

And Finally, can someone make a map, showing where the 3+ Knossos's are please.

Someone made a non-offical map of the systems beyond Gamma Draconis a while back, though I can't remember where it was. Anyway, the Knossoses were right in order: Gamma Draconis jump to the nebula, then a jump to the system beyond the nebula, and then the third Knossos off in the distance.

Bosch never speculates that the shivans were born of subspace, he simply notes that that was what the ancients belived.

Yes, I understand that from the monologue. I was simply using what he said to base my theory off of. Whether he himself believed it was not the subject of my post.

[Charismatic]

No offence but IIRC, A big star was being sucked into the formation of a new star beside it. I saw no black hole.

Can anyone verify?

[FireCrack]

It was either a neutron star, or a white dwarf. You wouldnt be able to see a black hole.

[kv1at3485]

It doesn't 'look' like a black hole at all.  There are no polar jets, and the bright light at the centre is too 'full' (there should be a large, well, 'black hole' where the event horizon should be.)

It probably is a neutron star or a white dwarf.

[FireCrack]

Whatever it is, i wouldnt like to live in the same system it's in.

[Kosh]

Sounds strangely like the Ur-Quan from Star Control II, destroying anything older than 500 years on Earth.

I think the reason why they did that was to make sure that no one could "stumble" onto any powerful precursor technologies. Since they knew without question that the precursors were vastly more powerful than they were (when the precursors were still around).


By the way, I loved that game.

[Boomer]

All right, maybe I was a little over condemning with the whole "they deserved everything they got" comment.  I apologize.

However, I still believe the Ancients had it coming.  A great man once said that a man's reach should exceed his grasp.  To paraphrase that statement for the situation at hand.

"A man's reach should exceed his grasp unless he wants to get his ass kicked by Shivans."  

The Ancients went too far, too fast, and with no thought toward the consequences of their expansion.  They were bound to encounter someone who could utterly destroy them.  Had they not spread out so rampantly, the clarion call of their destruction may not have been sounded.

[WMCoolmon]

I doubt anything as poetic as the Shivans were born out of subspace, or were the universe's way of healing itself because of harmful travel through subspace.

Perhaps the Shivans wished only for genetic purity. Perhaps the destruction of Capella was some kind of bizarre mating ritual for the Shivan juggernaughts (I believe it's been theorized that their ships are at least partially organic.)

Or maybe the Shivans are attempting to preserve the universe, by destroying stars and altering the gravitational balance of entire galaxies to forestall the eventual collapse of the universe.

What if the first Sathanas juggernaught was only a decoy, to scare the GTVA out of the nebula while the Shivans moved the other juggernaughts in?

Or maybe the Shivans were simply running tests on Terran/Vasudans, attempting to control the course of their evolution.

[Lone Knight]

Maybe Bosch saved us!  Maybe he saw the power of the Shivans and said "Uh.....we got 999999999 colossuss'.....that's why they trigged capella.  All 'cause of our buddy Bosch.  I mean, in his monlogues he spoke so much about [holycrap]saving[/holycrap] the terrans.  When he saw the Saths he lied to save the Terrans cause he knew otherwise the Shivans would mop the floor with us.

[NGTM-1R]

You have just summed up my Shivan Manifesto-derived argument quite nicely.

[Black Wolf]

You know, assuming Capella is anywhere near the various other GTVA systems, then the most likely reason they nuked it is so that the radioactive shockwave will eventually kill us all...

[Lone Knight]

I highly doubt that..... I think that a good way for the Freespace series to end would be that we make contact with the Ancients and in a massive war we destroy the Shivan queen(?)  and the Shivans leave, never to return again.  The Ancients move onto their old galaxy, far away from us.  Peace is everywhere, and there is a closing scene of Terrans and Vasudans dancing with Ewoks.  Alpha 1 watches as he sees the ghosts of Admiral Wolf, Bosch, and Yoda appear.

The End

[Charismatic]

Bosch is a dumbass and insane, yet his insantiy will save us in some way or another. Because what He is attempting, Command would never allow.

Do we realise, he HAS inniciated the first VERBAL CONTACT with the shivans. I bet NO ONE EVER has made V. C. with them, so im willing to bet their willing to listen. And in that case, he may have Some exadreation leeway "999999.99 colossus" (IIRC, on last page).

[Solatar]

There are widespread theories that Command let Bosch escape, maybe so he could make contact with the Shivans? I mean...if you think it's dangerous to talk to Shivans, just let Bosch do it and save your own warship.

[FireCrack]

Originally posted by Charismatic
"999999.99 colossus" (IIRC, on last page).

They have one million colossi! but one of them is'nt done yet, the GTVA is going down to the hardware store to buy some brown paint right now.

[Ghostavo]

Originally posted by Charismatic
Do we realise, he HAS inniciated the first VERBAL CONTACT with the shivans. I bet NO ONE EVER has made V. C. with them, so im willing to bet their willing to listen.

[nitpick]With the shivans, I doubt it's verbal communication [/nitpick]

[NGTM-1R]

And it is known GTI built the Hades with Shivan help.

[Nuclear1]

The Hades was based off of Shivan technology and biological study, though I highly doubt off of help from the Shivans themselves.



*runs off to write for GTI Rebellion*

[NGTM-1R]

Things in the ST command briefings suggest the Shivans might be assisting GTI; the fact the Hades launches a wing of full-performance (not busted up like your Dragon in Playing Judas) Seraphim to engage the Orff pretty much clinches it.