[Andreas]

This will propably sound very confusing and strange, but please, bear with me.

I hate categorising people into "homosexuals" and "heterosexuals". To me, I find it quite natural that two good male friends could kiss and perhaps do even more than that without it being specifically "gay". They could still be married, and have children, for example.

I mean, isn't real and good friendship one of the best things in life? Isn't a good friendship between two men a perfect definition and basis for real love? At least, that's how I view it.

So, why should it exclude all those things that are usually attributed to be "normal" only between men and women? Why can't they have a little bit of fun, without being labeled as "homosexuals" or "gays"?

This whole [insert name here]sexuality is just another stupid way by the politicians and the church to label people. We always must have an enemy, don't we? Commies, witches, homosexuals, what's the difference? As long as they have someone to blame. The world is just so full of ****. Why can't we just be at peace for a while with ourselves?

Again, sorry if I sounded childish and confusing, but I'm very frustrated and tired right now.

[Bobboau]

homosexual
heterosexual

look at the names, they have nothing to do with love, it's entierly a definition of your preference of phisical pleasure. I'd hardly even classify it as being on an emotional level

[Taristin]

I'm... confused by your post. You don't think two men or two women sharing a mutual attraction is homosexual? The term wasn't created for political oppression, it's a scientific term, really.......


Right?

Edit: I mean to say, I understand your point. And I don't like being labelled either, since labels more often than not cause preconceptions. And preconceptions are hard to remove.

[Bobboau]

yeah, if you are physicaly atracted to a person of the smae sex you are by definition a homosexual (or bisxual if you are also atracted to the opposet) adding any further meaning to the words by anyone is simply incorect.

[aldo_14]

There is the category of 'bisexual', you know.

I think...sex and, in turn physical attraction, defines sexuality.  Love has a very specific meaning, in non-related people, that goes beyond the tenets of friendship and into the set of hormonal/mental/etc processes that govern - for lack of a better term - sexual instinct.

So I don't see a problem with categorisation based on actions; people use these categorisations in a ****ty way to excuse their bias, yes, but they're not invalid characterisations as a result.  They're just as binary as, say xx, xy, xxy etc chromosomes are used to define gender.

[Taristin]

I think the main problem is the label. As soon as someone is labelled as gay, they become treated differently. I know that for a fact. And it's... not only frustrating, but depressing, and demoralizing.

[Col. Fishguts]

look at the names, they have nothing to do with love, it's entierly a definition of your preference of phisical pleasure. I'd hardly even classify it as being on an emotional level

Yup, (platonic) friendship and sexuality technicaly have nothing to do with each other.
So, if one is hetero-/homo-/bisexual depends only on which gender(s) one is sexually attracted.


OT: Where the hell is everybody today ?

[Hippo]

being drowned by ads.gamespy.com

[Bobboau]

if there haveing problems they should disable the adds.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Raa
I think the main problem is the label. As soon as someone is labelled as gay, they become treated differently. I know that for a fact. And it's... not only frustrating, but depressing, and demoralizing.

Yup; it's not the label that's a problem, but the usage of it for discrimination.

I understand the arguement - that if we don't define people in terms of sexuality, or skin colour, or religion etc then we have no way to descriminate against these groups.  But the other hand is that by removing labels, we also remove a lot of the methods by which we can define ourselves.

[Taristin]

It is a double edged sword... But how does one change something like that?

[Bobboau]

you don't, you live with it.

[Andreas]

I'm sorry that my post didn't make any sense, I just had to let that out. What I meant was, that to me, a very good friend and a lover are almost the same thing. I guess I'm confusing as hell, sorry.

I hate labeling and stereotypes, yes, that was my point mainly. Because those labels bound us. Does every homosexual act like in the "Queer eye for a straight guy"? I hardly think so. But that's how the media and politicians want to portray a certain group of people, force them into somesort of mold, so they can be easily controlled.

I apologise that I can't reply in a couple of hours, I really need to get some sleep (2am here...).

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Raa
It is a double edged sword... But how does one change something like that?

Set an example, I think, and hope that other people will respect that and understand it.  It's probably the best you can do; some people get very vocal about stuff, but that carries a risk of alienating people at the same time.

[Bobboau]

Originally posted by Andreas
But that's how the media and politicians want to portray a certain group of people, force them into somesort of mold, so they can be easily controlled.

actualy it's more human nature the polititians (ect...) just take advantage of it.

[Kosh]

Originally posted by Raa
I think the main problem is the label. As soon as someone is labelled as gay, they become treated differently. I know that for a fact. And it's... not only frustrating, but depressing, and demoralizing.

The problem isn't the label itself, it is how people react to it.

[vyper]

Interesting, I'm off to get laid...

[Ford Prefect]

It's a valid point. Sexuality is much more complex than most people realize, and it's long been proposed that it's more of a continuum than a categorical system.

[Taristin]

Originally posted by vyper
Interesting, I'm off to get laid...

On the internet, no one believes you.

[Scuddie]

In Soviet Russia, lay gets YOU!

Forgive my being blunt, but there is a big difference between being homosexual and being a *** (or dyke).  You do not need to be one to be the other.  One is a chemistry trait, the other is a personality trait.  It is disturbing how many people don't believe this is true.  While it may be true that chemistry can contribute to personality, it is essentially attitude that will determine personality.  I hate those guys on Queer Eye, but not because of their sexual preference, but because they make themselves look like idiots.  Being more sensitive is one thing, making a big deal out of it is another.