[Martinus]

[color=66ff00]Given the numerous 'errors' with the voting machines and the immediacy at which John Kerry threw in the towel even when there was a good chance a recount could have proclaimed him victor I'd say there's something sinister about the last election's proceedings.
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[Rictor]

What about voting for the Jerry Falwell/ Lois Farakhan ticket? I guess they'de have to go after the Jews or something.

Though seriously, was it less than 40%? I didn't think it was that bad. Maybe like 60% or so, but less than half? And Bush is supposed to be the most controversial Prez in recent times.

[Bobboau]

vote? for who, when was the last time a candidate gave you any sort of decent explaination on what they were going to do? when was the last time you've heard someone running for senate describeing some of the laws he was planning to write in any sort of detail, all you get these days is: "I'm a steriotypical republican conservitive and I aproved this mesage"

I voted BTW.

[Cobra]

nevertheless,, hacking US computers (including top-secret Military computers) is a federal offense, and he should get no less than about 40 years in prison. i think they would also peg that as terrorism, no doubt.

[EDIT] and i would very much like to kick that bastards ass.

[Martinus]

Originally posted by Cobra
still, hacking US computers (including top-secret Military computers) is a federal offense, and he should get no less than about 40 years in prison. i think they would also peg that as terrorism, no doubt.

[color=66ff00]Yeah, notice your use of the term 'federal offence'.
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[Cobra]

feh, offence is Britain's way of spelling.

[Martinus]

[color=66ff00]The spelling was my error and isn't what's relevant, the word federal is what's relevant.

Federal offences are carried out by american criminals not British.
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[Cobra]

[OT][blatant ripoff] your use of offence confuses and infuriates me. [/blatant ripoff][/OT]

[Bobboau]

do you realy think what he did warrents him getting ass raped funtill he is in his late 70s, all he did, apparently, was looked at stuff.

[Cobra]

ah, but if you look at the document, he hacked an air force computer. that's one of the things that got him there.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by Bobboau
vote? for who, when was the last time a candidate gave you any sort of decent explaination on what they were going to do?

If that's the problem go in and spoil your ballot paper deliberately. 100 million votes that basically say neither might encourage independants to run.

Or you could just vote for an independant who does say what he'll do.

I know you voted but 100m people didn't and that's almost twice the number who actually voted for Bush. If you could get even half of those people to vote for someone as a protest vote who ever you'd put up would have won.  


Democracy is such a stupid system at times. I remember reading a report that said that in the UK the Liberal Democrats would win a landslide victory is all the people who didn't vote for them because "they couldn't win" actually voted for them.

[Kosh]

Originally posted by Maeglamor
[color=66ff00]I don't think you understand mik, democracy is an illusion in america, it's a facade to placate the masses.

Bush's supporters fixed the election not once but twice and it was blatently obvious, any attempt to point this out was quashed.
america is the richest country in the world yet so many live below the poverty line, over ten times more money is given to the military than education.

Keep the people stupid, keep them afraid, keep the money rolling in.
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I agree completly. I didn't vote. I am not even registered to vote. Why? Because I can see the big picture. Voting does nothing. Besides, I knew my state was going to go to Kerry anyway.


Not to mention the deception and outright lies that are going on, especially with this administration. The government is not by the people and not for the people. The whole "exporting freedom" thing they have going on is just a way to distract an already gullible public.

Or you could just vote for an independant who does say what he'll do.

For all the good it will do. Independants in this country only get about 5% or less of the vote put together. People here just vote for their party, not the candidate. Is this REALLY democracy? I don't think so.

[Ghostavo]

I hate to say this but voting should be mandatory.

[WMCoolmon]

That'd be even worse. You'd have people going to the ballots and choosing random candidates based on how funny their name sounds, because they won't be arsed to do any research.

What we need is some kind of incentive for making good voting choices.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by Kosh
For all the good it will do. Independants in this country only get about 5% or less of the vote put together. People here just vote for their party, not the candidate. Is this REALLY democracy? I don't think so.

They only get 5% because people like you can't be bothered to vote. Like I said even going in and deliberately spoiling your ballot paper is better than not voting.

Not voting lets everyone assume you don't care. Spoiling the paper at least proves that you hate everyone.

[Ghostavo]

Originally posted by WMCoolmon
That'd be even worse. You'd have people going to the ballots and choosing random candidates based on how funny their name sounds, because they won't be arsed to do any research.

What we need is some kind of incentive for making good voting choices.

Or they could vote null if they don't know who to vote. Anything is better than not voting.

[WMCoolmon]

So instead of having most of the population not voting, we'd have most of the population making meaningless votes.

[Ghostavo]

Yes, but I assume most of them would at least get informed on who they would like to vote rather than voting null. I bet it would raise the ammount of people voting on candidates.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by WMCoolmon
So instead of having most of the population not voting, we'd have most of the population making meaningless votes.

Which would prove to other candidates that there are a large number of people out there willing to vote but unwilling to vote for what they see at the moment.

[Kosh]

Not voting lets everyone assume you don't care.

They can assume that if they want, they are irrelevant.