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Offline Starks

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It seems that certain modlers are trying to redefine what makes a ship Shivan. With the rush to HTL and hi-poly, a lot ships are getting much needed makeovers. But somewhere along the line, Shivan design is losing its meaning.

To me, Shivan design is defined as:

Red and black (Asmodeus and Mephisto being the most prominent exceptions, there are others)

Spikey protrusions and radical angles

Insectoid shapes



What's your definition of Shivan?
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Deadly?
Large?

 

Offline aldo_14

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Evil.

 

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Offline CP5670

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To me, Shivan design is defined as:

Red and black (Asmodeus and Mephisto being the most prominent exceptions, there are others)

Spikey protrusions and radical angles

Insectoid shapes


I basically agree with all that. I think the Asmodeus may actually have been an oversight on Volition part. IIRC the Shivan ships were all green at some point in FS1's development, but they changed everything to red for the final release, so they may just have forgotten about that one.

The Mephisto on the other hand looks more like a big missile than a ship. :D

 
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if you had to pick one word, it would have to be evil
spikes, sharp angles and assymetrical design also work well
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Offline Jal-18

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To paraphrase Adams:

"The designer of the [Shivan ships] had clearly not been instructed to beat around the bush. 'Make [them] evil,' he'd been told. 'Make it totally clear that [these ships have] a right end and a wrong end. Make it totally clear to anyone standing at the wrong end that things are going badly for them. If that means sticking all sort of spikes and prongs and blackened bits all over it then so be it. [These are not ships for taking cruises with or going fishing, these are ships] for going out and making people miserable with.'"

:D

 

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I think they should look like their names sujest, a Demon should look like well a demon. Grimloq had a great idea on how they should look, with bones and stuff sticking out, making them look like a skeletal monster from a nightmare.

Thats how they should look, something to send chills down your spine when you see them.;)
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Offline Starks

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I always thought the Shivan homeworld/hive was Candy Land...
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Originally posted by Jal-18
To paraphrase Adams:

"The designer of the [Shivan ships] had clearly not been instructed to beat around the bush. 'Make [them] evil,' he'd been told. 'Make it totally clear that [these ships have] a right end and a wrong end. Make it totally clear to anyone standing at the wrong end that things are going badly for them. If that means sticking all sort of spikes and prongs and blackened bits all over it then so be it. [These are not ships for taking cruises with or going fishing, these are ships] for going out and making people miserable with.'"

:D



That is one of most fitting descriptions of the Sathanas.

 

Offline Starks

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For all we know, the Sathanas can be a pleasure boat...
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Offline Turambar

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an evil pleasure boat. with a right and a wrong end and spiky bits
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Offline CP5670

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A right and a wrong end? I like that. :D

  

Offline Janos

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Originally posted by Turambar
an evil pleasure boat. with a right and a wrong end and spiky bits


my right end is the one with the spikes.
lol wtf

 

Offline Starks

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Hmmm...

SFr Dis: Hey Sath... You have bent spikes...
SJ Sath: Mine are bigger though, it's also how you use them...
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Offline pyro-manic

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I'm not much of a fan of the Sath, to be honest. It's big and scary, but I much prefer the FS1 ships. More of a "metal insect" look, rather than the spike-fest the FS2 Shivans are...
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FS1 shivans FTW!!!
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FS1 shivans rock

Teh Demon is the best shivan desing ...EVAR...

Every seen one looming over you in a nebula? Scary..
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Offline Mefustae

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You can clearly see that, in the Freespace1 incursion, the Shivan armada was at that time undergoing a generational advance technologically, and by that i mean;

You'll notice that the FS1 Shivan Capital Ships, namely the Cain/Lilith, and the Lucy, all exhibit very similar componenets. The underside of the vessels are essentially the same, and the presence of 'Prongs' on both models further indicates similarity. Now, in terms of fighters and bombers, the SF Scorpion and SB Shaitan in particular exhibit the same blocky-style contruction visible in both the Cain/Lilith and Lucy models.

Looking at the rest of the fleet, the Demon stands out as quite a different design style aesthetically speaking. The spikes/spines along the ventral port & starboard edges do not appear on any other ship in the Shivan Fleet, prompting the idea that said Fleet was - at the time - undergoing a generational shift technologically speaking; moving from, say, 1st Generation Shivan Technology, to a spikier, meaner-looking 2nd Generation Shivan Technology.

This '2nd Generation' of technology is shown all but fully implemented in the FS2 incursion. Under the assumption that these are indeed the exact same Shivans as in FS1, thereby barring any arguement of different tribes/species/regional blocs of Shivans, it is clear that Shivan Technology by 2367 has almost completed its 'update' if you will to their next Generation of technology.

This shift is shown by the new, unique designs of Shivan Ships that pour out of the Nebula, exhibiting far more spine-like constructs on the outer hull, and an overall more juxtapositioned design. This is especially visible on the SD Ravana, which is nothing at all like the designs of the FS1-era ships; all semblance of the styles seen on the Lucy are gone, leaving instead a seemingly random assortment of large Spikes, an irregular engine design, and a non-symmetrical hull, something that really stands out in the FS Universe. It is obvious that Shivan Technology had undergone a complete restructuring of not only their technological style, but also a complete overhaul of their capital ship aesthetics.

Even the fighters of this re-designed armada exhibit this advance. The clunkiest fighters and bombers of the FS1-era Shivan, ie. the SF Scorpion & SB Shaitan, are no longer present, replaced by the sleeker, meaner looking SF Mara, and SB Nahema, both of which show considerable use of the Spine/Spike design, further emphasising the prospect of a complete Generational Overhaul of their fleet that was already underway when they stumbled across Ross 128 in 2335.

Indeed, this process to a new Generation of Technology is obviously incomplete, evidenced by the continued use of the old Cain and Lilith designs. But the sudden upsurgeance of this new, Chaotic Insectoid (possibly even Arachnid) build-style demonstrates that the Shivans as a species can alter the aesthetic qualities of their ships somewhat quickly.

As such, I personally implore model-makers to break free of the clichéd Insectoid/Arachnoid-From-Hell look, and instead come up with your own ideas of what Shivan Technology would look like in your own mind, based on the entire spectrum of Shivan Ships aesthetically...rather than simply churn out the Spiny, insect-like abominations i've seen multiplying as of late...

 

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Put simply - this is everything Shivan.